Bush's 5th Year option declined

[Mr.wizard]

damn, it shouldn’t be this easy to win a debate.

I just make it look that easy

[feltdizz]

I just make it look that easy

damn you Steeler Mafia!!!! lmao

[Mr.wizard]

damn you Steeler Mafia!!!! lmao

Lol i beat him up so bad he had to start pretending I was someone else.

[feltdizz]

Lol i beat him up so bad he had to start pretending I was someone else.

Pretty soon we will all be the same person

SteelwizmafeltdizzAlohannCapallahuakbar

Pretty sure he sent Mafia and Cap’s handle to Homeland Security.

[Mr.wizard]

Pretty soon we will all be the same person

SteelwizmafeltdizzAlohannCapallahuakbar

Pretty sure he sent Mafia and Cap’s handle to Homeland Security.

Lol that's hilarious and probably true.

[Steeler Mafia]

I am just posting so the belief that Wiz and I are the same person stays alive. Welcome to Louisville, Wiz!

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Really that's your answer, You made the claim that the completion percentage against bush was terrible, I gave you the percentages of the top backers at the position, the numbers do not support that. Now you want to throw out the numbers and say it's based on your personal observation and a few cherry picked comments from other people. Now you are trying shift the goal posts to the 5th year option, when my response was to your claim about completion percentage stats. It's pretty black and white, either you can support that claim or you can't.

The evidence you gave shows clearly they were better. In one case one man was old. How will Bush be covering at 32? Worse! Bush gave up 70+% as a rookie. Find a player that bad in his prime,. Check the charts. For QB's 5-7% more accuracy is the difference between good and pro bowl level. Think of that. The Steelers know Bush was be picked on in coverage. That's why Spillane played at times, and Bush went to the bench. Fact. I shift no goal posts, I simply use x steelers and 3rd party options that he is NOT good. I don't write them. You can accept the facts, or remaining ignorant to them. Or debate them which you do not so.

See the difference in how I answer questions? I use examples and interpret the stats. I also use football examples. You just say cherry pick and move the goal posts.

***>>>*** To sum up once again, Bush is below average compared the his peers that start. He's short, has sHort arms, lacks a feel for coverage, and can not match up with TE's WR, or speedy backs. He is not a man to man coverage guy! No way. He's a zone coverage guy and lacks football IQ in coverage which hurt him. Teams target him. I debate these points. Don't cherry pick or move the gaol posts from this conversation and feel free to degree with x Steelers linebackers like Mosts and Shazier, and media people who point out his inadequacies. If I choose the add in there opinion. Listing Bush who you say is good in coverages yet gave up 70+% if his plays ( above the league passing average ) is FACTUAL. He has never been below 66%, others have multiple times.

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[feltdizz]

The evidence you gave shows clearly they were better. In one case one man was old. How will Bush be covering at 32? Worse! Bush gave up 70+% as a rookie. Find a player that bad in his prime,. Check the charts. For QB's 5-7% more accuracy is the difference between good and pro bowl level. Think of that. The Steelers know Bush was be picked on in coverage. That's why Spillane played at times, and Bush went to the bench. Fact. I shift no goal posts, I simply use x steelers and 3rd party options that he is NOT good. I don't write them. You can accept the facts, or remaining ignorant to them. Or debate them which you do not so.

See the difference in how I answer questions? I use examples and interpret the stats. I also use football examples. You just say cherry pick and move the goal posts.

***>>>*** To sum up once again, Bush is below average compared the his peers that start. He's short, has sHort arms, lacks a feel for coverage, and can not match up with TE's WR, or speedy backs. He is not a man to man coverage guy! No way. He's a zone coverage guy and lacks football IQ in coverage which hurt him. Teams target him. I debate these points. Don't cherry pick or move the gaol posts from this conversation and feel free to degree with x Steelers linebackers like Mosts and Shazier, and media people who point out his inadequacies. If I choose the add in there opinion. Listing Bush who you say is good in coverages yet gave up 70+% if his plays ( above the league passing average ) is FACTUAL. He has never been below 66%, others have multiple times.

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Bush was awful last year. He was great his rookie year. No way you can lie about his stats his rookie season.

I think you cherry picked a stat and thought you had something there but the reality says other wise.

Thing is, no one needs a percentage comp to admit how bad Bush was last year. We have 2 eyes and no one.. I repeat NO ONE will disagree about his play in 2021.

He was trash last year. Bjt his rookie year? No way.. he played as well as any ILB we have seen their rookie year as a Steeler besides Contact aka Chad Brown.

Contact is the only ILB I can think of who played better but IMO it was primarily as a blitzer. I can’t remember how he performed in coverage.

Wait, I missed a whole page of people tearing you a new one. Damn man.. they really exposed your argument better than I could.

Maybe you should try again in a few days with a new stat?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Bush was awful last year. He was great his rookie year. No way you can lie about his stats his rookie season.

I think you cherry picked a stat and thought you had something there but the reality says other wise.

Thing is, no one needs a percentage comp to admit how bad Bush was last year. We have 2 eyes and no one.. I repeat NO ONE will disagree about his play in 2021.

He was trash last year. Bjt his rookie year? No way.. he played as well as any ILB we have seen their rookie year as a Steeler besides Contact aka Chad Brown.

Contact is the only ILB I can think of who played better but IMO it was primarily as a blitzer. I can’t remember how he performed in coverage.

Wait, I missed a whole page of people tearing you a new one. Damn man.. they really exposed your argument better than I could.

Maybe you should try again in a few days with a new stat?

He was far for Shazier in coverage! He wasn't a prime Timmons either. Get real. Chad Brown wasn't that good and that was a long time ago.


Once again Bush gave up 67.6 % as a rookie ( worse the average by the standers of his peers ) 5 Td's which is bad, and 435 yards against, which is a lot of yards. Qb's rated 97.4 against him as a rookie. 2 ints is nice, but the rest is weak. That is his rookie year. Far form " great "

Again, his stats:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BushDe01.htm

[NorthCoast]

I'll give you stats that makes better sense for an ILB; TFLs and avg depth of tackle;

2021:

	#TFLs	Avg_Depth_Tackle (yds)
Bush	3	2.2
Schobert	3	2.9
Spillane	3	1.9
Watt	29	1.2
MJack	3	2.7
DWhite	12	2.0

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Maybe you should try again in a few days with a new stat?

OUCH!!

[Buzz]

I'll give you stats that makes better sense for an ILB; TFLs and avg depth of tackle;

2021:

	#TFLs	Avg_Depth_Tackle (yds)
Bush	3	2.2
Schobert	3	2.9
Spillane	3	1.9
Watt	29	1.2
MJack	3	2.7
DWhite	12	2.0

So you're telling us all our ILBs are mediocre/poor?

[NJ-STEELER]

Wrong. He was past tense a good blitzer. Why was it stopped? Because teams ran at him. He visibly declined in coverage in year TWO before he hurt his knee. Yes his team was playing well with Tuitt and Alualu protecting him and Ben still being " operational ".2

Stop using his knee injury for an excuse before and after it happened. He wasn't given a 5ht year option for a reason! He's weak vs the run, can't shed blocks worth a darn ( he wasn't asked to as a rookie ) and is useless coverage. Did I mention his lack of instincts and not working hard enough. Get with the program. He is what he is. Here are his stats.

Note he allowed 70.2 % of his passes complete on him when he was a rookie. This is very high, then the Steelers limited him in coverage. Go ahead you won't find many DB's or LB's who gave up that percentage in coverage. It because he's weak! Show me the others you find, if you can.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BushDe01.htm

Yeah. Even before the injury he struggled with bigger TE’s ( isn’t that the position ilb’s shoukd be covering Mikey?? )

this “excellent in pass coverage” s going a bit overboard.

[NorthCoast]

So you're telling us all our ILBs are mediocre/poor?

The explanation is the DL sucked so the ILBs sucked. Dunno.

[Mr.wizard]

I am just posting so the belief that Wiz and I are the same person stays alive. Welcome to Louisville, Wiz!

Thanks alter ego, I always wanted to go to Louisville.