Kenny Pickett the SMG breakdown

[Shawn]

Jimmy G didn’t take teams to SB’s. Teams took Jimmy to a SB. His arm and decision making were terrible last year.

Interesting insight. I would argue Jimmy G is a QB capable of winning a SB but needs surrounding parts. He isn't Brady who made it work with nobodies on O and a solid D. I'm not slamming Pickett but Tomlin himself said he picked him for his floor not his ceiling.

[Shawn]

its so lazy to call Pickett a clone of a QB but its what people do to try and cap players abilities.

Pickett is going to show and prove. There will be growing pains.. but he is going to show these doubters he is NFL ready right now.

I hope you are right. I just don't see day 1 ready.

[papillon]

The funny thing is, though, do you think Ben was a full-field reading QB? I don't, not most of the time, any ways. But I think Willis is really not a full-field reading QB to a high degree. I've seen Pickett definitely read the entire field and make the right read, whether or not he can do that in the NFL, with enough zip on the ball, is yet to be seen.

I think the biggest reason many think that Ben wasn't a full field read quarterback is because he was able to eliminate 1/4 to 1/3 of the field before the snap. Then if things broke down he would do what only Big Ben could do and that is scramble with his head up looking for a big play. Ben's ability to pre-snap read was underrated imo, Brady, Manning same thing, they knew where they weren't going before the ball was in their hands, they received credit for pre-snap reads, Ben never did. You don't throw for the yards and have the success Ben had without being able to see what was happening before it happened, imo.

Regardless, if Pickett has a football IQ as high as being advertised he'll be a good to great quarterback in the NFL and the Steelers will be good to go at quarterback for many years.

Pappy

[Shawn]

I think the biggest reason many think that Ben wasn't a full field read quarterback is because he was able to eliminate 1/4 to 1/3 of the field before the snap. Then if things broke down he would do what only Big Ben could do and that is scramble with his head up looking for a big play. Ben's ability to pre-snap read was underrated imo, Brady, Manning same thing, they knew where they weren't going before the ball was in their hands, they received credit for pre-snap reads, Ben never did. You don't throw for the yards and have the success Ben had without being able to see what was happening before it happened, imo.

Regardless, if Pickett has a football IQ as high as being advertised he'll be a good to great quarterback in the NFL and the Steelers will be good to go at quarterback for many years.

Pappy

That read on Ben was just plain nasty. I agree. He read the D knew where to go.

[Northern_Blitz]

I hope you are right. I just don't see day 1 ready.

And that's fine IMO. Mitch can start. Let Kenny earn the spot

[WindyCitySteel]

Regardless, if Pickett has a football IQ as high as being advertised he'll be a good to great quarterback in the NFL and the Steelers will be good to go at quarterback for many years.

Football IQ is more relevant to a QB's "ceiling" than is the ability to run fast or throw 50 yards while running to the right, but unfortunately QB evaluation has become inverted because of Mahomes and Allen.

[Shawn]

And that's fine IMO. Mitch can start. Let Kenny earn the spot

Agreed...he needs time.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Don't get the Willis' ceiling comparison, 90% of QB play is above the neck, Willis light years away from Kenny in that regard and relies solely on athletic ability. What are the chances he becomes a full field reading precision QB? Without that, his ceiling is Kordell Stewart.

That's why it's a ceiling... it's best case and includes a bunch of "ifs". Given athletic ability (arm strength, speed, etc) "if" he could get the above the neck stuff together, he could be high...

But, that's also why his floor is lower... We know how smart Pickett is relative to him and absolute worst case for both, Pickett would be "less bad"

Basically, higher risk/reward gamble.

[WindyCitySteel]

That's why it's a ceiling... it's best case and includes a bunch of "ifs". Given athletic ability (arm strength, speed, etc) "if" he could get the above the neck stuff together, he could be high...

But, that's also why his floor is lower... We know how smart Pickett is relative to him and absolute worst case for both, Pickett would be "less bad"

Basically, higher risk/reward gamble.

I think people assume anyone can just learn the above the neck stuff, but it's clearly not the case. Many QBs regress in this regard as DC's start to figure them out.

[feltdizz]

That's why it's a ceiling... it's best case and includes a bunch of "ifs". Given athletic ability (arm strength, speed, etc) "if" he could get the above the neck stuff together, he could be high...

But, that's also why his floor is lower... We know how smart Pickett is relative to him and absolute worst case for both, Pickett would be "less bad"

Basically, higher risk/reward gamble.

The amount of love Willis had before the draft was head scratching. Maybe he really has that IT factor but it always felt like he had a good agent/team around him that helped push him on ESPN.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I think people assume anyone can just learn the above the neck stuff, but it's clearly not the case. Many QBs regress in this regard as DC's start to figure them out.

But, ceiling doesn't mean that you WILL reach it. IMO, a ceiling, you typically don't reach it. That's why it's a ceiling - it's as high as YOU could possibly be given the space YOU are in. Personally, I think they need a 3rd category: Ceiling, Floor and Most Likely Outcome.

For Willis:
Floor: Quincy Carter, Cowboys - owner/coach keeps trying, but no success
Ceiling: Steve McNair - small school kid grows his passing knowledge and becomes a guy capable of winning with arm AND feet
Most Likely: RG3 (pre-injury) - will make a lot of highlight plays and have stretches where he's good, but will also be a head scratcher (I've called him RG4... lol)

[NorthCoast]

its so lazy to call Pickett a clone of a QB but its what people do to try and cap players abilities.

Pickett is going to show and prove. There will be growing pains.. but he is going to show these doubters he is NFL ready right now.

Man I'll give you credit dizz. You are putting out a lot of posts that risk being thrashed if things don't go well for Pickett. I'm gonna try to stay neutral until I see him in preseason (although preseason football isn't real football).

[feltdizz]

Man I'll give you credit dizz. You are putting out a lot of posts that risk being thrashed if things don't go well for Pickett. I'm gonna try to stay neutral until I see him in preseason (although preseason football isn't real football).

I’m a Pitt fan.. lol. When Buckeye fans have a player they think is legit that damn sure aren’t shy about it.

I’ve been screaming about wanting Pickett for a while now. If he sucks I’ll have to eat crow but if he pans out..

you already know, lol.

[Captain Lemming]

Man I'll give you credit dizz. You are putting out a lot of posts that risk being thrashed if things don't go well for Pickett. I'm gonna try to stay neutral until I see him in preseason (although preseason football isn't real football).

While I don't get his confidence and have my concerns (thus the clone thread) I would never thrash him if he is wrong.

I hope he is right and sincerely want to be swayed that way. Sadly I still don't understand it.

Hopefully, Pickett changes that.

[Captain Lemming]

I’m a Pitt fan.. lol. When Buckeye fans have a player they think is legit that damn sure aren’t shy about it.

I’ve been screaming about wanting Pickett for a while now. If he sucks I’ll have to eat crow but if he pans out..

you already know, lol.

I would welcome your crowing like a lunatic brother.

I will try to beat you to the punch and start a thread giving you props.

As always. We should ALL want the Steelers to be right regardless our gut feelings.

People criticize some of us as blind "Steelers can do no wrong" homers.

Everybody here disagrees at times.

True fans just want to be wrong when they are in doubt.