Draft capital and trading down.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I'm for it. If our pick #20 can get us pick #35, #70 and a 5th round pick and next years 3rd round pick we should do it. Find a trading partner and trade down.

At pick # 35 we could get QB's Corral or Howell. This would give us two seconds, two thirds and an a extra 5th plus a 3rd round pick next year.

Round 1: No. 20 ( traded )
Round 2 No #35 ( picked up via trade )
Round 2: No. 52
Round 3 70 ( picked up via trade ).
Round 3: No. 84
Round 4: No. 138
Round 5. No 140 ( picked up wia trade )
Round 6: No. 208** (from Chiefs)
Round 7: No. 225 (from Jets), 241

[Buzz]

I'd be for it, too, but I don't think the Steelers will be

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I'm for it. If our pick #20 can get us pick #35, #70 and a 5th round pick and next years 3rd round pick we should do it. Find a trading partner and trade down.

At pick # 35 we could get QB's Corral or Howell. This would give us two seconds, two thirds and an a extra 5th plus a 3rd round pick next year.

Round 1: No. 20 ( traded )
Round 2 No #35 ( picked up via trade )
Round 2: No. 52
Round 3 70 ( picked up via trade ).
Round 3: No. 84
Round 4: No. 138
Round 5. No 140 ( picked up wia trade )
Round 6: No. 208** (from Chiefs)
Round 7: No. 225 (from Jets), 241

INTENTIONALLY pass on players 20-35 to get an extra 3rd and 5th? NO THANKS

There's a reason players go in the 1st round.... it's because they have a higher likelihood of being good than a guy in the 3rd or 5th... I'll pass on the idea of what is *likely* to be backups to trade down and get what is likely to be a lesser player in the 2nd (with a year less contract control).

[Joel Buchsbaum]

INTENTIONALLY pass on players 20-35 to get an extra 3rd and 5th? NO THANKS

There's a reason players go in the 1st round.... it's because they have a higher likelihood of being good than a guy in the 3rd or 5th... I'll pass on the idea of what is *likely* to be backups to trade down and get what is likely to be a lesser player in the 2nd (with a year less contract control).

Its a high second, two 3rd's ( this year and next year ) and a 5th. That's four picks for 1.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'd probably be OK with a trade down if there are enough guys we like around at 20.

But I think there is basically a 0% chance we'll trade down out of the 1st. Apparently this hasn't happened in the Noll - Cowher - Tomlin era. So don't hold your breath.

[flippy]

Running thru many mock simulations, I've seen some trade down options that I've really liked.

I've gotten picks 32 + 34 + others from the Lions for 20, I've also gotten 35 + 38 + others from the Jets for 20.

Giving up our first to get a first and 2 seconds or 3 seconds seems to get quite that haul of players by the end of those drafts.

But I've also seen Walker, Davis, Cross, Williams, and a couple others drop to 20 that I would have never expected to see on the board. So the question becomes are you willing to give up one of those guys for some extra picks that are unknown to you.

The trick in it all is you're probably going to get better offers depending on who is still on the board.

On one of the trade backs, I ended up with Cine, Wyatt, and Dotson with my 1st 3 picks in the 2nd round. And to me, I felt like I got 3 1st rounders that time.

But I've also been staring at the clear best player on the board in the 2nd round was a RB which we didn't need.

[Oviedo]

I'm for it. If our pick #20 can get us pick #35, #70 and a 5th round pick and next years 3rd round pick we should do it. Find a trading partner and trade down.

At pick # 35 we could get QB's Corral or Howell. This would give us two seconds, two thirds and an a extra 5th plus a 3rd round pick next year.

Round 1: No. 20 ( traded )
Round 2 No #35 ( picked up via trade )
Round 2: No. 52
Round 3 70 ( picked up via trade ).
Round 3: No. 84
Round 4: No. 138
Round 5. No 140 ( picked up wia trade )
Round 6: No. 208** (from Chiefs)
Round 7: No. 225 (from Jets), 241

I'd actually be good with that. The positions we need (DT, OL and WR) are actually deep this year. Additionally, if we don't resign Edmunds, there are a number of Round 2 Safeties we could take.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'm for it. If our pick #20 can get us pick #35, #70 and a 5th round pick and next years 3rd round pick we should do it. Find a trading partner and trade down.

At pick # 35 we could get QB's Corral or Howell. This would give us two seconds, two thirds and an a extra 5th plus a 3rd round pick next year.

Round 1: No. 20 ( traded )
Round 2 No #35 ( picked up via trade )
Round 2: No. 52
Round 3 70 ( picked up via trade ).
Round 3: No. 84
Round 4: No. 138
Round 5. No 140 ( picked up wia trade )
Round 6: No. 208** (from Chiefs)
Round 7: No. 225 (from Jets), 241

I did a bit of number crunching on this trade using the chart here:

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

The total numbers kind of work with us giving up 850 pts and getting back 886 pts. So teams are overpaying to move up.

I think that this particular trade proposal is impossible. But, let's see if people spot the same issue I did when looking at this.

Pick	Team	Giving Up (pts)	Getting (pts)
1:20	PIT	850
2:35	NYJ		550
3:70	JAX		250
5:140	GB		36
Next Year*
3: ???	???		50
Total pts		850	886

I don't know what pick you're talking about for the 3rd next year. I took the middle pick in the round and discounted it by 1 round (because a pick next in the future is less valuable than a pick now).

There are certainly a bunch of assumptions here that don't make sense. I don't think teams really use draft charts to evaluate trades. And who knows how different teams value future picks.

But (1) I think it's extremely unlikely we trade out of the first since it's something we haven't done in like half a century and (2) if we did, I can't imagine having a 4 to 5 team trade where the centerpiece is the 20th overall pick in the draft.

This is always a huge problem with trades. You need a partner. Or in this case, many partners to make it work.

If we limit ourselves to just the Jets (and just this year), then to get the numbers to work it would be something like:

Jets get: Steelers 1:20 (850)
Steelers get: Jets 2:35 (550), 3:69 (245), 4:117 (60)

This is about equal in terms of point value: 850 vs 855.

After the trade, the Jets have: 3x 1st round picks, 1x 2nd round picks, 0x 3rd round picks, 1x 4th round picks. Maybe they are fine with this because they pick 5 times in the first 4 rounds, and they get 3x first rounders. But if they stand pat, they pick 7x in the first 4 rounds. They may not want to actually make 7 picks, so getting higher picks might make sense for them.

After the trade, the Steelers have: 2x 2nd round picks, 2x 3rd round picks, 2x 4th round picks. We'd still get 1 of the top 50 players. We'd have 4 of the top 100 instead of 3. And 6 of the top 150 instead of 4. It probably depends on who is on the board between 20 - 35 to determine if getting quantity is better than quality here.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I'd actually be good with that. The positions we need (DT, OL and WR) are actually deep this year. Additionally, if we don't resign Edmunds, there are a number of Round 2 Safeties we could take.

Now your thinking.

[Iron City Inc.]

Colbert does NOT believe in giving up talent for volume. That said he has stated he does consider short trade backs provided their board has a few guys rated about the same so it would have to be a darn near perfect storm to do a trade back. Dallas at 24 would likely be furthest he would go perhaps GB at 22 something like that.
Who knows for sure this year with no Ben. Their thinking could change. I would think not. IMHO you can get very close to the same player at 26-28 as you can 20 so this may be the year to get the extra pick or two. If we got a pair of 4's from the Boys and Cine at 24 I would say that would be a real good start to the rebuild.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I did a bit of number crunching on this trade using the chart here:

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

The total numbers kind of work with us giving up 850 pts and getting back 886 pts. So teams are overpaying to move up.

I think that this particular trade proposal is impossible. But, let's see if people spot the same issue I did when looking at this.

Pick	Team	Giving Up (pts)	Getting (pts)
1:20	PIT	850
2:35	NYJ		550
3:70	JAX		250
5:140	GB		36
Next Year*
3: ???	???		50
Total pts		850	886

I don't know what pick you're talking about for the 3rd next year. I took the middle pick in the round and discounted it by 1 round (because a pick next in the future is less valuable than a pick now).

There are certainly a bunch of assumptions here that don't make sense. I don't think teams really use draft charts to evaluate trades. And who knows how different teams value future picks.

But (1) I think it's extremely unlikely we trade out of the first since it's something we haven't done in like half a century and (2) if we did, I can't imagine having a 4 to 5 team trade where the centerpiece is the 20th overall pick in the draft.

This is always a huge problem with trades. You need a partner. Or in this case, many partners to make it work.

If we limit ourselves to just the Jets (and just this year), then to get the numbers to work it would be something like:

Jets get: Steelers 1:20 (850)
Steelers get: Jets 2:35 (550), 3:69 (245), 4:117 (60)

This is about equal in terms of point value: 850 vs 855.

After the trade, the Jets have: 3x 1st round picks, 1x 2nd round picks, 0x 3rd round picks, 1x 4th round picks. Maybe they are fine with this because they pick 5 times in the first 4 rounds, and they get 3x first rounders. But if they stand pat, they pick 7x in the first 4 rounds. They may not want to actually make 7 picks, so getting higher picks might make sense for them.

After the trade, the Steelers have: 2x 2nd round picks, 2x 3rd round picks, 2x 4th round picks. We'd still get 1 of the top 50 players. We'd have 4 of the top 100 instead of 3. And 6 of the top 150 instead of 4. It probably depends on who is on the board between 20 - 35 to determine if getting quantity is better than quality here.

Okay, we trade with the Jets then. Don't forget we get there next years third too.

[flippy]

Colbert does NOT believe in giving up talent for volume. That said he has stated he does consider short trade backs provided their board has a few guys rated about the same so it would have to be a darn near perfect storm to do a trade back. Dallas at 24 would likely be furthest he would go perhaps GB at 22 something like that.
Who knows for sure this year with no Ben. Their thinking could change. I would think not. IMHO you can get very close to the same player at 26-28 as you can 20 so this may be the year to get the extra pick or two. If we got a pair of 4's from the Boys and Cine at 24 I would say that would be a real good start to the rebuild.

I think talent over volume is a good general approach.

In reading about Boykin’s draft class after we picked him up, they noted the Ravens had 5 picks in 2019 3rd and 4th rounds and none of those picks panned out.

Ravens usually do a decent job at drafting. And that’s the risk right there. Lots of picks just don’t work the deeper you get in any draft.

And I agree it’s a little safer to trade back a couple picks if you have a couple guys rates the same and can get some extra value.

But if there’s a clear guy you like, gotta take him.

[WindyCitySteel]

If we got a pair of 4's from the Boys and Cine at 24 I would say that would be a real good start to the rebuild.

I'll be sick if they draft Cine in the first round, seems like an Edmunds clone and feels like another huge reach for need.

[Iron City Inc.]

I'll be sick if they draft Cine in the first round, seems like an Edmunds clone and feels like another huge reach for need.

He played great last year. Based on what I saw along with the excellent combine I'm not 100% sure he gets to 20. Now safeties tend to be drafted lower like rb's but this guy can play in the box, high 2 , high single , cover slots and large te's. He is a really good tackler. Did it at a high level. Real good player even if it's not a sexy pick. Fills a need. Bigger than Edmunds, faster than Edmunds , better tackler and much better ball skills. He's going to be a real good player at the next level. Hope it's in the B &G and a pair of 4's on top of that. A 4 now a 4 in 23 just what this team needs.

[Northern_Blitz]

Okay, we trade with the Jets then. Don't forget we get there next years third too.

I don't think we get a 3rd next year in this case because the other picks we get from trading with the Jets are higher than the picks in your scenario from multiple teams.

I think this kind of highlights how hard it is to trade back (or up) and give / receive reasonable value.

We don't have the freedom to choose any pick we want. We get constrained by the picks other teams have.