My pick for the Steelers first round.

[feltdizz]

Pappy do you not remember how Hampton was exposed? Teams learned to go no huddle on our 3-4. I loved Hampton but guys like him left with the FB.

No.. actually I don’t.

Casey played 12 years. I would expect a dip in production in the latter part of his career.

How was he “exposed?”

In 2011 we had the #1 rushing defense.

In 2012 we dipped to 6th.

But we all know that D was old and tired in 2012.

[feltdizz]

Not at all to be honest. Njiba is a freak of nature. He is a primetime #1 and will be an elite HOF WR on the next level. When you start overshadowing two teammates who are first round talents...now that's the kind of WR I would pick in the first round. I mean he had 347 yards and 3 TDs against Utah. He had 240 yards against Nebraska. Did you see that game against Utah? Unstoppable. He will be a top 5 pick.

I’ll take your word for it but who was he facing? The best CB on the 3rd best CB?

I’m curious

[Shawn]

I’ll take your word for it but who was he facing? The best CB on the 3rd best CB?

I’m curious

Since Wilson and Olave were out that game I must assume the first.

[Shawn]

No.. actually I don’t.

Casey played 12 years. I would expect a dip in production in the latter part of his career.

How was he “exposed?”

In 2011 we had the #1 rushing defense.

In 2012 we dipped to 6th.

But we all know that D was old and tired in 2012.

It was a long time ago and I assume you have some senility setting in lol. Playing, but it happened and it was discussed here and in the media. The days of the two down OLman are done. I'm sure some teams still use them just like they use a fullback. But, a classic 340 pound NT who can only play two downs and can't move up and down the DL is antiquated.

[Shawn]

I did and he was. We need to watch him next season whem Olave and Wilson are gone. I might be thinking of someoneelse but I thought he put therock on the ground a few times.

I don't remember that but everyone puts the rock on the ground from time to time. I don't remember ball security being an issue. In the Utah game, Olave and Wilson were out. That was the biggest game of his career and I don't see it being any different next year. I see him possibly breaking 2000 yards next season. He has 1606 as the third option last season lol. The dude is a stud.

[Northern_Blitz]

No.. actually I don’t.

Casey played 12 years. I would expect a dip in production in the latter part of his career.

How was he “exposed?”

In 2011 we had the #1 rushing defense.

In 2012 we dipped to 6th.

But we all know that D was old and tired in 2012.

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Reads this post.

Sets timer for how long it takes Cap to tell us about that year when Hampton was injured, Hoke plays, and we were better at run D.

Wonders if it's already happened because I didn't read ahead.

[Flasteel]

But why? I mean I kind of get it. He's a physical specimen. But, is he a 3 down DLman? If not move on. He wasn't for GA why would he be for us? I have him as a late second and I wouldn't touch him. Why? Because, in modern day NFL you need guys you can stay on the field. You need guys who can play up and down the line. Don't get me wrong I understand why you love him. Davis is a freak. But he also can't play a full series. The day of Casey Hampton are done and we need to adapt to the times.

I think it is a valid question but not one which overrides his potential. It also may be entirely inaccurate and he is fully capable of being a 3-down player. He may have just come off the field at Georgia to keep him fresh and rotate him in with the rest of the studs on that defense. From a coaching perspective, if this guy is shutting down the opponent's run game on 1st and 2nd down, then you don't need him in the game on 3rd and long - particularly when you have a stable full of dudes who specialize in getting after the QB. Maybe that's exactly what the Georgia staff was also thinking? He seems like he would be able to significantly push the pocket from the inside, if he was in there on passing downs. Hell...based on his athleticism, he could probably line up as a DE over the tackle!

Wyatt seems like he would be a great pick. But I've never seen a player like Jordan Davis. His combination of size, athleticism, and high-level production is probably unique in draft history. You simply can't say that about Wyatt...or anyone else. In my opinion, Davis is transformational for this defense.

[Shawn]

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Reads this post.

Sets timer for how long it takes Cap to tell us about that year when Hampton was injured, Hoke plays, and we were better at run D.

Wonders if it's already happened because I didn't read ahead.

LMAO...my exact thoughts. I mean this was discussed ad nauseam on this board for like literally two seasons but old man Felt and his dementia doesn't remember it. Just playin Felt you know I love ya.

[Shawn]

I think it is a valid question but not one which overrides his potential. It also may be entirely inaccurate and he is fully capable of being a 3-down player. He may have just come off the field at Georgia to keep him fresh and rotate him in with the rest of the studs on that defense. From a coaching perspective, if this guy is shutting down the opponent's run game on 1st and 2nd down, then you don't need him in the game on 3rd and long - particularly when you have a stable full of dudes who specialize in getting after the QB. Maybe that's exactly what the Georgia staff was also thinking? He seems like he would be able to significantly push the pocket from the inside, if he was in there on passing downs. Hell...based on his athleticism, he could probably line up as a DE over the tackle!

Wyatt seems like he would be a great pick. But I've never seen a player like Jordan Davis. His combination of size, athleticism, and high-level production is probably unique in draft history. You simply can't say that about Wyatt...or anyone else. In my opinion, Davis is transformational for this defense.

Listen I hear you and you make some great points. Maybe just maybe this beast of a human being can play most of the game 3 downs. I guess that is for the Steelers to figure out. But can he truly play up and down the line like Wyatt? When did we see that. Because when you make a call from a 3-4 over to a nickle does he have to come off the field? Those are questions for greater minds than mine. Because I don't see anything that leads me to believe that. Next, if he is that dominant and can do those things why on this green earth would Ga take him off the field in those situations. Lastly, I do not want just a guy good at stopping the run in the first round. Hey maybe that's just me but I stick to my belief that Wyatt is the target. He's the right pick.

[Iron City Inc.]

It's not about how he was used. It's about his skill set. If I want him in the second, then I think he will make a great pro. At the college level he could get away with some of his deficits. I do see problems in coverage. In a pass first NFL, with 3 legit NFL franchise QBs in the AFC North? I want guys who can cover at an elite level and I'm just not seeing that, I love his violence. I love his physicality. He will make a good pro. But, he is not worth our first round pick.

It's good talking draft with you again. I remember some of those" Lewan and Joey Boza " posts we did a while back. You definitely need to keep these posts coming. It's good we don't always see things exactly the same. Makes it more interesting. You'll always be our OSU expert so if you got any info on their O linemen that are coming out please share. I know the Ruckert kid. Know the family. He's a good kid with a good family. Told his mom he'll be catching passes from Brady cause BA loved Friermuth and missed out on a "Y" te. Jeremy is similar I believe and should become a solid pro.

[feltdizz]

It was a long time ago and I assume you have some senility setting in lol. Playing, but it happened and it was discussed here and in the media. The days of the two down OLman are done. I'm sure some teams still use them just like they use a fullback. But, a classic 340 pound NT who can only play two downs and can't move up and down the DL is antiquated.

I remember everyone saying it AFTER Hampton retired and we stopped looking for a traditional NT.

But I also remember the warning of it being a mistake and our run D would suffer without a Casey to anchor our 3-4.

and from what I remember our D was never been great at run stuffing and last year we were 32nd.

and my mistake. We were #1 overall D in 2011 not rushing. But we were #2 in rushing D in 2012. Last year, 32nd.

[NJ-STEELER]

It was a long time ago and I assume you have some senility setting in lol. Playing, but it happened and it was discussed here and in the media. The days of the two down OLman are done. I'm sure some teams still use them just like they use a fullback. But, a classic 340 pound NT who can only play two downs and can't move up and down the DL is antiquated.

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and yes, it did happen. they used to experiment putting the OLBs at DE with DE lining up at DT to try and counter that

[Shawn]

I remember everyone saying it AFTER Hampton retired and we stopped looking for a traditional NT.

But I also remember the warning of it being a mistake and our run D would suffer without a Casey to anchor our 3-4.

and from what I remember our D was never been great at run stuffing and last year we were 32nd.

and my mistake. We were #1 overall D in 2011 not rushing. But we were #2 in rushing D in 2012. Last year, 32nd.

You are a dinosaur Felt. Get with the times. Its a passing league. You need mobility and versatility. Maybe we just didnt have the right talent at the right age. I mean stats don't prove the need for a NT.

[Shawn]

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and yes, it did happen. they used to experiment putting the OLBs at DE with DE lining up at DT to try and counter that

Thank you. Felt is gaslighting me lol. I know we had these conversations even the media was commenting on it.

[Shawn]

It's good talking draft with you again. I remember some of those" Lewan and Joey Boza " posts we did a while back. You definitely need to keep these posts coming. It's good we don't always see things exactly the same. Makes it more interesting. You'll always be our OSU expert so if you got any info on their O linemen that are coming out please share. I know the Ruckert kid. Know the family. He's a good kid with a good family. Told his mom he'll be catching passes from Brady cause BA loved Friermuth and missed out on a "Y" te. Jeremy is similar I believe and should become a solid pro.

Always Iron,,,you are one my favorites if not my favorite to bump heads with over picks. Listen at the end of the day I've been doing my thing here for over 13 years and much to my chagrin the Steelers haven't reached out to me for a contract. So, take my evaluations with a grain of salt. I know much about Ruckert. First, as a Y he is ideal. Close to the OL, isn't uber athletic at the NFL level but blocks like a beast and can catch balls. He isn't a TE you can move and scare offenses and make them adjust. But how many NFL teams want a Y in early rounds? Ruckert, I am a fan of on the college level. I hear he is a solid locker room guy and loves the game. I want that guy on my team. But, would I spend more than a 5th on him? No. I wouldn't. So, send this to my fellow Buckeye brother and use it as fodder to light that flame. I want him to prove me wrong.