My pick for the Steelers first round.

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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
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    #16
    Originally posted by Buzz
    We'll need excellent tacklers in the backfield if Bush stays in at ILB
    it sure would be nice if Bush were to return to his pre-injury form.

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    • papillon
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      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #17
      Originally posted by Shawn
      But why? I mean I kind of get it. He's a physical specimen. But, is he a 3 down DLman? If not move on. He wasn't for GA why would he be for us? I have him as a late second and I wouldn't touch him. Why? Because, in modern day NFL you need guys you can stay on the field. You need guys who can play up and down the line. Don't get me wrong I understand why you love him. Davis is a freak. But he also can't play a full series. The day of Casey Hampton are done and we need to adapt to the times.
      Why does he have to play 3 downs? If he's on the field for 1st and 2nd down and the Steelers put the other team in a 3rd and long and he comes off the field for a pass rusher aren't the Steelers better?

      Pappy
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      1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
      3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
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      • Shawn
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        • Mar 2008
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        #18
        Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
        Currently he is #1 in my mock.
        Well that's because Chuck you are a wise and smart man.
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        • Shawn
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          • Mar 2008
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          #19
          Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
          Cine played so much off ball I don't recall him being walked down much. He looked real fluit at Indi and flipped his hips well from what I saw. Lots to work with there including the fact he is a excellent tackler.
          No doubt he is an excellent tackler. I want him. But, I want him in the second. He lacks sufficient fluidity to be a first rounder. I stand by that. If I'm drafting a safety in the first he needs to be able to be versatile. I think versatility is the key. This is some intimacy. I fell in love with Jeremy Cash out of Duke. I had him graded as a third round pick and he goes undrafted. Dude played like a linebacker with his physicality. Cine reminds me of him. He is stiff in transitions and I see him more of a box safety. He is a hybrid and I don't hate that trust me. But he isn't a first rounder. He is a box safety with better cover skills than Cash. He is a good locker room guy, a leader and a competitor. I believe he loves the game. He will be a solid to a very good pro in the NFL. Elite? First round? I think its a stretch. Thats just my humble opinion with an imperfect science. I've been wrong before will be wrong again.
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          • passhappy
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            • Aug 2013
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            #20
            how do you feel about Smoke Monday
            2020 MNF Exec Champion

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            • NJ-STEELER
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              • May 2008
              • 12563

              #21
              I like the player, but I don't see us taking a DL in the 1st round.

              the way things are shaping up, our first pick is looking more and more like a WR.
              as obvious as Najee was last year, unless a QB they like falls to 20

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              • Shawn
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                • Mar 2008
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                #22
                Originally posted by papillon
                Why does he have to play 3 downs? If he's on the field for 1st and 2nd down and the Steelers put the other team in a 3rd and long and he comes off the field for a pass rusher aren't the Steelers better?

                Pappy
                Pappy do you not remember how Hampton was exposed? Teams learned to go no huddle on our 3-4. I loved Hampton but guys like him left with the FB.
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                • Shawn
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                  • Mar 2008
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by passhappy
                  how do you feel about Smoke Monday
                  Again, I like his physicality. He isn't fast enough or quick enough to be a good pro on the NFL level. He is a good box safety. His coverage skills are average at best. If he were 230 I would recommend a transition to ILBr. But, he isn't big enough, isn't fast enough, and doesn't cover well enough. I have no idea what scouts grade him as but I would place a 6th round grade on him. I see him as a pro back up at best.
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                  • Shawn
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                    • Mar 2008
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                    I like the player, but I don't see us taking a DL in the 1st round.

                    the way things are shaping up, our first pick is looking more and more like a WR.
                    as obvious as Najee was last year, unless a QB they like falls to 20
                    I don't see that at all. I mean Chris Olave might be there. I like his teammate Wilson better. Always did and my dad and I argued about it alot lol. Olave is subtle great with amazing route running. His hands speed and elite route running no doubt makes him a solid 1b. I do not see Olave as a prime time. Sorry to my fellow Bucks fans. Wilson on the other hand isn't as good of a route runner as Olave. But he does everything better and has more upside. I think both will make good pros. Would I spend a first on either. Umm no. And I am a Buckeye fan. Pass on WR in the first. Second or third? Yep. Now if Njiba out of OSU was coming out this year? I would move up in the draft to grab him, He will be a hall of fame NFL WR barring injury. I haven't seen a guy like that in I don't know how long. Even Wilson and Olave said that he is the best of the group. I mean how good are you to get your first round teammates to admit you are better?
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                    • Shawn
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                      • Mar 2008
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                      Cine played so much off ball I don't recall him being walked down much. He looked real fluit at Indi and flipped his hips well from what I saw. Lots to work with there including the fact he is a excellent tackler.
                      It's not about how he was used. It's about his skill set. If I want him in the second, then I think he will make a great pro. At the college level he could get away with some of his deficits. I do see problems in coverage. In a pass first NFL, with 3 legit NFL franchise QBs in the AFC North? I want guys who can cover at an elite level and I'm just not seeing that, I love his violence. I love his physicality. He will make a good pro. But, he is not worth our first round pick.
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                      • NJ-STEELER
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                        • May 2008
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Shawn
                        I don't see that at all. I mean Chris Olave might be there. I like his teammate Wilson better. Always did and my dad and I argued about it alot lol. Olave is subtle great with amazing route running. His hands speed and elite route running no doubt makes him a solid 1b. I do not see Olave as a prime time. Sorry to my fellow Bucks fans. Wilson on the other hand isn't as good of a route runner as Olave. But he does everything better and has more upside. I think both will make good pros. Would I spend a first on either. Umm no. And I am a Buckeye fan. Pass on WR in the first. Second or third? Yep. Now if Njiba out of OSU was coming out this year? I would move up in the draft to grab him, He will be a hall of fame NFL WR barring injury. I haven't seen a guy like that in I don't know how long. Even Wilson and Olave said that he is the best of the group. I mean how good are you to get your first round teammates to admit you are better?

                        I agree that's what the steeler's brass normally does but the days of having your HOF QB make receivers look better are over.
                        they may have to break tradition

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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by papillon
                          Why does he have to play 3 downs? If he's on the field for 1st and 2nd down and the Steelers put the other team in a 3rd and long and he comes off the field for a pass rusher aren't the Steelers better?

                          Pappy
                          Teams won't religiously run on 1st and 2nd down, especially against stout fronts.

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                          • Chucktownsteeler
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                            • May 2008
                            • 6849

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Shawn
                            I don't see that at all. I mean Chris Olave might be there. I like his teammate Wilson better. Always did and my dad and I argued about it alot lol. Olave is subtle great with amazing route running. His hands speed and elite route running no doubt makes him a solid 1b. I do not see Olave as a prime time. Sorry to my fellow Bucks fans. Wilson on the other hand isn't as good of a route runner as Olave. But he does everything better and has more upside. I think both will make good pros. Would I spend a first on either. Umm no. And I am a Buckeye fan. Pass on WR in the first. Second or third? Yep. Now if Njiba out of OSU was coming out this year? I would move up in the draft to grab him, He will be a hall of fame NFL WR barring injury. I haven't seen a guy like that in I don't know how long. Even Wilson and Olave said that he is the best of the group. I mean how good are you to get your first round teammates to admit you are better?
                            Smith-Njiba is smooth and strong. Do you have any concerns about ball security with him?
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                            I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                            • Shawn
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                              • Mar 2008
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                              Smith-Njiba is smooth and strong. Do you have any concerns about ball security with him?
                              Not at all to be honest. Njiba is a freak of nature. He is a primetime #1 and will be an elite HOF WR on the next level. When you start overshadowing two teammates who are first round talents...now that's the kind of WR I would pick in the first round. I mean he had 347 yards and 3 TDs against Utah. He had 240 yards against Nebraska. Did you see that game against Utah? Unstoppable. He will be a top 5 pick.
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                              • Chucktownsteeler
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                                • May 2008
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Shawn
                                Not at all to be honest. Njiba is a freak of nature. He is a primetime #1 and will be an elite HOF WR on the next level. When you start overshadowing two teammates who are first round talents...now that's the kind of WR I would pick in the first round. I mean he had 347 yards and 3 TDs against Utah. He had 240 yards against Nebraska. Did you see that game against Utah? Unstoppable. He will be a top 5 pick.
                                I did and he was. We need to watch him next season whem Olave and Wilson are gone. I might be thinking of someoneelse but I thought he put therock on the ground a few times.
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                                I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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