2nd Chance QBs

[flippy]

(Add) Len Dawson and Doug Williams. Both were first rounders surprisingly.

Surprise Williams was a 1st rounder. But I wouldn't count either of these guys. Dawson never played til he got to KC. Williams was a backup that lucked into playing in the playoffs in Washington.

[flippy]

As the thread shows, there was a time when it was not shocking that it worked.

But how many since QB salaries have exploded?

I think THAT is the limiting factor.

It's still just 3 guys in 40 years that failed with their first team and then won a SuperBowl on their next team.

Steve Young turned out to be the only good QB of the 3. And they all ended up on spectacular teams.

I'm convinced this is about as viable a chance of working out for us as one of us winning the PowerBall.

[Northern_Blitz]

I would tend to argue MR and/ or Haskins can offer just as much as a Winston, Bridgewater, or even a Taylor on the relative cheap as a bridge QB.

For a bridge QB you are looking at what a year or 2 until your rookie gets up to speed? I don't see the logic in burning draft picks and/ or cap space to achieve this.

Minshew, Trubinsky, and/ or Mariota is a different story, then you don't pick a QB high in the draft.

And maybe it's a crappy question, but: Do you maybe even want your bridge QB to be slightly worse? I wouldn't actively try to tank by selling all good players for draft picks, but if the difference between Mason / Haskins and a bridge QB is 6 wins vs 8 wins, I wouldn't mind it.

Buffalo did the try hard thing for a decades between Kelly and Allen. And all it did was keep them in that "usually miss the playoffs, rarely get to a WC game" zone.

I think it's important to be honest about when you need to rebuild your team.

[Captain Lemming]

I was watching the new doc about Terry and I didn't know that he was sacked for a safety in 3 straight games lol. To be fair though I don't think that team was very good at first which probably had something to do with his struggles. But yeah he definitely turned it around.

I remember...he was TRASH as a young player. In today's NFL he would have never been allowed time to develop.

Heck Noll was shaky on him during OUR 1st SB SEASON when Terry was demoted to backup for the first 6 games.

[Chucktownsteeler]

And maybe it's a crappy question, but: Do you maybe even want your bridge QB to be slightly worse? I wouldn't actively try to tank by selling all good players for draft picks, but if the difference between Mason / Haskins and a bridge QB is 6 wins vs 8 wins, I wouldn't mind it.

Buffalo did the try hard thing for a decades between Kelly and Allen. And all it did was keep them in that "usually miss the playoffs, rarely get to a WC game" zone.

I think it's important to be honest about when you need to rebuild your team.

I agree, I am against trading the future for QB "retreads". To my point most of these "bridge QBs" offer the same or less than MR/ Haskins at a possible steep price and or future draft picks.

Very rarely does a team jettison a franchise QB. We were burned badly with Woodley, Graham, and Blackledge.

[Captain Lemming]

Surprise Williams was a 1st rounder. But I wouldn't count either of these guys. Dawson never played til he got to KC. Williams was a backup that lucked into playing in the playoffs in Washington.

Most of Doug Williams career he was a Tampa Bay Buccaneers "starter".

He ABSOLUTELY was the epitome of "has all the tools don't know how to use them".

Frankly, his SB performance shocked the world because of his years of futility in Tampa Bay.

[flippy]

Most of Doug Williams career he was a Tampa Bay Buccaneers "starter".

He ABSOLUTELY was the epitome of "has all the tools don't know how to use them".

Frankly, his SB performance shocked the world because of his years of futility in Tampa Bay.

That would be the equivalent of us grabbing someone like Trubisky and making him MR's backup only to see MR be the starter but get replaced by Trubisky during the playoffs and go on a run and win it all. That'd be fine by me, but it feels like dumb luck that's not a repeatable strategy.

[NorthCoast]

And maybe it's a crappy question, but: Do you maybe even want your bridge QB to be slightly worse? I wouldn't actively try to tank by selling all good players for draft picks, but if the difference between Mason / Haskins and a bridge QB is 6 wins vs 8 wins, I wouldn't mind it.

Buffalo did the try hard thing for a decades between Kelly and Allen. And all it did was keep them in that "usually miss the playoffs, rarely get to a WC game" zone.

I think it's important to be honest about when you need to rebuild your team.

Don't forget way back then only 10 teams went to the playoffs. It's easier to get in the postseason door nowadays.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

It's still just 3 guys in 40 years that failed with their first team and then won a SuperBowl on their next team.

Steve Young turned out to be the only good QB of the 3. And they all ended up on spectacular teams.

I'm convinced this is about as viable a chance of working out for us as one of us winning the PowerBall.

The odds of it happening are not really the point. I argued the same point with Haskins. If he pans out, then great! You found your next starter. If it doesn't, the short term risk was next to nothing, and the long term risk is nothing. No big deal. Let him compete for the job and if not he is cut with no dead cap money hanging over your head.

[NorthCoast]

That would be the equivalent of us grabbing someone like Trubisky and making him MR's backup only to see MR be the starter but get replaced by Trubisky during the playoffs and go on a run and win it all. That'd be fine by me, but it feels like dumb luck that's not a repeatable strategy.

Drafting a HOF QB is dumb luck too. Drafting a 10 yr starter is maybe one step below dumb luck.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Charlie Batch and Tommy Maddox went to new teams and got rings... Wait, that's not exactly what you meant, is it? LOL

Funny how guys like Stafford (and even Brees and Manning) got sent to new teams that simply had enough talent to get the job done, but to your point, no one ever questioned their talent.

On topic, who was QB when Chucky won in Tampa? I know Dilfer was already gone, but my gut says that was a retread. Maybe Brad Johnson?

[Chucktownsteeler]

Brad Johnson

[feltdizz]

Most of Doug Williams career he was a Tampa Bay Buccaneers "starter".

He ABSOLUTELY was the epitome of "has all the tools don't know how to use them".

Frankly, his SB performance shocked the world because of his years of futility in Tampa Bay.

what amazed and saddened me was 2 years later he was out of the league.

Usually a SB performance like that gets you a huge contract.

He was the lowest paid starting QB while with Tampa and paid less than 12 backups as well.

He played for the USFL when Tampa refused to pay him $600K even though they made the playoffs 3 times with him.

No other teams showed interest after he was released by the Redskins.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

what amazed and saddened me was 2 years later he was out of the league.

Usually a SB performance like that gets you a huge contract.

He was the lowest paid starting QB while with Tampa and paid less than 12 backups as well.

He played for the USFL when Tampa refused to pay him $600K even though they made the playoffs 3 times with him.

No other teams showed interest after he was released by the Redskins.

Perspective is funny.

Parts of this thread: Steve Young had the tools, he was just in Tampa.
Other parts: Doug Williams just couldn't put it together...

Not judging anyone's posts, it's just an observation on how history paints these guys. Both were stuck in Tampa, struggled then each left and each went on to win the big game when given a chance outside of Tampa

[whisper]

Jim Plunkett and Trent Dilfer are the first 2 QB’s that come to mind.

I wouldn't put Dilfer in with Plunkett; Plunkett won TWO Super Bowls and was an intrical part of the winning that the Raiders accomplished. Dilfer stunk before he got to Baltimore and after he left Baltimore. He was merely a caregiver on a team with a top 3 D of all time, which was clearly why they won the SB. Only the Steelers of the '70s and the 1985 Bears ever had a D on par with the 2000 Ravens. If you are gonna put Dilfer on this list you'd have to include Brad Johnson, who went along for a ride with the Tampa Bay 's D in 2002. Plunkett did more than just "go along for a ride" with the Raiders' D.