Chiefs, Mahommes SB era done. Your salary cap advantage just ended.

[Northern_Blitz]

Northern _Blitz, if you don’t stop exaggerating …

Why are you se hell bent on using the chiefs? You can use the 49ers, you can use the eagles.

You are bound and determined to prove what we are doing is right when the afterwards results say different.

Check out the title of the thread.

I think maybe the difference of opinion we have is because I'm trying to think about probabilities.

I don't think what we are doing is "right". But I do think what we're doing is (at least mostly) "reasonable". I think you are judging our past actions based on your knowledge on how they turned out instead of judging them based on the information that was available when the decisions were made. Personally, I don't think that's a great way to judge the process. I don't know if you play or ever watched poker, but poker players lose "good bets" all the time. Because they don't have perfect information. Just like drafting and acquiring players through UFA.

I think the chances of screwing the roster up are much higher by signing big name UFAs. My guess is that if you look at the production of these signings vs. their cap hit, most underperform.

I don't think that's a "good bet" when you're at the beginning of a rebuild. I think it makes more sense when you're a contender...because I think you need to overpay less to bring high quality UFAs in when you can realistically say that you have a chance to win a SB.

We aren't there yet. And I think that whether we get there depends mostly on what KP turns out to be.

You say that the problem is the "business model" and that we should "improve it" (non-specifically I think). I think that's incorrect. I think the difference in results between us and KC isn't the business model. It's the QB talent. Maybe if we also had elite QB play, we could be arguing about how these other things are playing a big role in the outcomes. But having great (or at least above average) QB play is the first thing you need to be successful in the NFL IMO.

[Steel Maniac]

How would you change the business model?

If it involved getting Patrick Mahomes, I'm on board. But that's not going to happen.

That's why KC has been successful. That's why teams that had Tom Brady were successful.

Have a great QB. Try your best to put good players around them. That's how you win in the NFL.

We put our chips on KP. Let's see how the bet plays out.

Northern _Blitz, if you don’t stop exaggerating …

Why are you se hell bent on using the chiefs? You can use the 49ers, you can use the eagles.

You are bound and determined to prove what we are doing is right when the afterwards results say different.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

The big salary cap hits of Mahommes contract are gonna kick in and the league gets to snipe their best free agents.

Who is up for free agency that they will lose? They lost the big plays receiver as just won the Super bowl. Mahomes is worth his money and produces..

[Northern_Blitz]

he def makes his receivers better.
point was they’re always looking to improve the offense.
wasn’t juju first brought in when Tyreek was still on the team ?
toney, a former first rounder with the giants, brought in before the deadline was a nice move. He never got untracked with the giants due to injuries.

First they traded for Orlando brown when their OL let them down and then when he got too expensive they went out and grabbed one of the top UFAs at the position.

I think the Hill thing hadn't happened yet. But I think it happened right after. I think they just got their ducks in a row (have Juju) before getting rid of Hill because of the cap hit.

I don't think that the offensive weapons KC had this year were better than Brown and Bell in their primes. I don't get why you think the Steelers didn't put assets into the offense. We spent multiple early picks on the OL to protect Ben. We had an elite RB (and drafted Mendenhall before that). Seems like we drafted a WR in the 2nd or 3rd ever year.

The problem was when Shazier got hurt, the D was bad when the offense peaked.

And Ben lost what made him Ben when he got older and could consistently shrug off DTs with ease, then bomb it to the WR that was open because the DB covering him had to pick his jaw up off the turf. Ben was absolutely amazing to watch in his prime. But that style isn't one that's build for longevity.

I think it's kind of surprising that Ben stayed as good as he did despite losing his ability to extend plays indefinitely. I think it really puts the lie to the "he's just lazy doesn't practice of study the playbook" narrative that was always floating out there.

[Northern_Blitz]

We need to update our business model. It's not working. Bottom line. You can deflect and spin it all you want..........but it's not working anymore.

How would you change the business model?

If it involved getting Patrick Mahomes, I'm on board. But that's not going to happen.

That's why KC has been successful. That's why teams that had Tom Brady were successful.

Have a great QB. Try your best to put good players around them. That's how you win in the NFL.

We put our chips on KP. Let's see how the bet plays out.

[Northern_Blitz]

Which teams with first contract QBs have won recent Super Bowls? Chiefs '18, Eagles '17, Seahawks '13? 3 in 10 years?

This is pretty much the argument though.

And if you don't have one of the top 2 QBs in the league Brady (4/10) or Mahomes (2/10), you probably want a rookie QB.

Since those truly elite guys come up something like once in a decade, it's much easier to get an average to above average guy on a rookie deal.

[whisper]

Had to laugh at the posts on this thread claiming Reid was a choke artist. What's that make Cool Shades? No playoff wins in 6 years. Gave uo 40+ points last 3 postseason games, to the likes of Baker Mayfield and Blake Bortels. Yea, it's a good thing we have Cool Shades over Andy as our HC.

[hawaiiansteel]

If “they” did not hit on the current best QB in the league (credit for moving up) their current “business model” would mean Jack Squat.

We HAVE TO win using a different method because we do not have a QB that may wind up GOAT.

very true, even a great coach like Andy Reid never won a Super Bowl until he got Mahomes.

[Steel Maniac]

at least KC knows how it’s bread is buttered.
THEY improved the OL after that SB

Which is what your suppose to do; You protect your biggest asset. That's what the Bengals just did in getting Orlando Brown. So now that's a bad idea from some poster?? My God!!

[Steel Maniac]

That's why SF is so impressive (although they are probably helped because most of the best QB talent is in the AFC).

We need to update our business model. It's not working. Bottom line. You can deflect and spin it all you want..........but it's not working anymore.

[Steel Maniac]

Their "business model" is "have the best QB in the league, the best of his generation, who will likely end up in the conversation of 2nd best all time (I assume he won't win as much as Brady)".

Just like our business model worked with Ben.

I think you really get to see if your strategy is successful when you don't have a great QB. That's why SF is so impressive (although they are probably helped because most of the best QB talent is in the AFC).

Really?? how about the 49ers then? How about the Eagles then? We don't need to use the Chiefs. Your deflecting.

[Captain Lemming]

And that's my whole point........their buisness model is working in today's NFL. We need to update our business model to work in today's NFL. Ours isn't working anymore. Mainly because our scouting dept. isn't hitting on prospects like it used to.

If “they” did not hit on the current best QB in the league (credit for moving up) their current “business model” would mean Jack Squat.

We HAVE TO win using a different method because we do not have a QB that may wind up GOAT.

[NJ-STEELER]

Other than Kelce, did you see what he was working with? Juju ain't all that. But they drafted sky moore who should be better this year and they will probably add another WR through the draft. The pressure is on their scouting dept. to hit on a legit WR to give him a little more help.

he def makes his receivers better.
point was they’re always looking to improve the offense.
wasn’t juju first brought in when Tyreek was still on the team ?
toney, a former first rounder with the giants, brought in before the deadline was a nice move. He never got untracked with the giants due to injuries.

First they traded for Orlando brown when their OL let them down and then when he got too expensive they went out and grabbed one of the top UFAs at the position.

[Northern_Blitz]

And that's my whole point........their buisness model is working in today's NFL. We need to update our business model to work in today's NFL. Ours isn't working anymore. Mainly because our scouting dept. isn't hitting on prospects like it used to.

Their "business model" is "have the best QB in the league, the best of his generation, who will likely end up in the conversation of 2nd best all time (I assume he won't win as much as Brady)".

Just like our business model worked with Ben.

I think you really get to see if your strategy is successful when you don't have a great QB. That's why SF is so impressive (although they are probably helped because most of the best QB talent is in the AFC).

[Northern_Blitz]

would be interesting to see mahomes on that 04 team with Tuman, Hines, el, and wilson as his weapons.
not exactly kelce and Tyreek out there.
theres the o line in the 09 season as well. We saw what a bad OL did to Mahomes in the SB vs. Tampa


at least KC knows how it’s bread is buttered.
THEY improved the OL after that SB
and I highly doubt you’ll ever see KC spend 11 of 14 top two round draft picks on defensive players trying to relieve their great defenses they had in the 70s.
They know what it takes to win in todays game.

Not unlike when we got MP and DD.

I'm waiting for when you start to complain about us spending too many high picks on offense.