Steelers considered a top trade destination for Kirk Cousins

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  • Steeler Mafia
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    • May 2008
    • 567

    #46
    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
    that's exactly why i'm not worried. if that was going to be a thing, it would by now. Woman says, "yes, he asked for happy ending... and i went back 5 more times after that" - i'm kinda thinking y'all are dating. You're just mad that you weren't the only one! LMAO

    Anyway, seems the reason he's not playing now is simply the disagreements between him and mgmt.

    Last I heard, he was set to settle all 22 of his civil cases before the trade deadline, so that Houston could unload him. However, a good number of women would not sign the NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) that was part of the settlement, saying it was "a deal-breaker".

    Even though I think he is one of the better options at QB for the Steelers, it doesn't look like those legal issues will be resolved any time soon.
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    • Northern_Blitz
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      • Dec 2008
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      #47
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      but we are cheap as hell when it comes to FA… lol. We bargain basement shop in FA
      Because we pay our own guys (and a market QB contract). So we rarely have UFA money.

      And how many of the big spending teams in UFA end up doing much? Seems to me like UFAs are usually guys that their own teams feel like aren't worth the cap hit. And the team they are on is the one that usually knows them best.

      That's not always how it is, but I think it's usually true.

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
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        #48
        Originally posted by Steeler Mafia
        Last I heard, he was set to settle all 22 of his civil cases before the trade deadline, so that Houston could unload him. However, a good number of women would not sign the NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) that was part of the settlement, saying it was "a deal-breaker".

        Even though I think he is one of the better options at QB for the Steelers, it doesn't look like those legal issues will be resolved any time soon.
        I think there's basically a 0% chance on Watson.

        I think the risk is too high when the legal issues are outstanding.

        And the cost is too high if they get resolved.

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        • Steeler Mafia
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          • May 2008
          • 567

          #49
          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
          I think there's basically a 0% chance on Watson.

          I think the risk is too high when the legal issues are outstanding.

          And the cost is too high if they get resolved.
          I agree. With the outstanding legal issues being unresolved, the risk is too high. However, if the Steelers are considering to take such a sizable $35 mil swing at a middle tier QB such as Kirk Cousins, why not swing for the fences for someone better, like a Russel Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, or (if the legal issues can be resolved) a Deshawn Watson. To me, that doesn't sound unreasonable. It sounds like getting more value for that type of money.
          Last edited by Steeler Mafia; 01-20-2022, 11:48 AM.
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          • Steeler Mafia
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            • May 2008
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            #50
            After the above statement, don't get me wrong. There will never be a time that a tight a$$ organization like the Steelers will ever spend that kind of money on anyone in FA.
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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
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              #51
              Originally posted by Steeler Mafia
              I agree. With the outstanding legal issues being unresolved, the risk is too high. However, if the Steelers are considering to take such a sizable $35 mil swing at a middle tier QB such as Kirk Cousins, why not swing for the fences for someone better, like a Russel Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, or (if the legal issues can be resolved) a Deshawn Watson. To me, that doesn't sound unreasonable. It sounds like getting more value for that type of money.
              I can't imagine us doing this. But you never know.

              I agree if you're going to pay close to top of market money, you should get someone better than Cousins.

              But if a QB is worth top tier money, I don't think the team he's on is going to let him walk.

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              • "BuzzNuter"
                Pro Bowler
                • Mar 2019
                • 2062

                #52
                Originally posted by hackjam
                I think most guys have to learn how to play on that stage. Easy to forget how bad Ben was in his first trip to the playoffs and even after that, he was liable to throw a stinker out there every once in a while.
                Brother, you need to check the stats. Ben was great in the first 3 games in the playoffs that year. He had a QB rating around 115(?), I believe. It was in the SB against the Seahawks where he had a bad game.

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                • hackjam
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                  • Sep 2021
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                  I think there's basically a 0% chance on Watson.

                  I think the risk is too high when the legal issues are outstanding.

                  And the cost is too high if they get resolved.
                  Not to mention, I don't think the Rooneys would want to go from one face of your franchise type with accusations of sexual assault/rape hanging over their head directly to another. Ben is mister Jesus freak family man now, sure but his reputation is not exactly great. It would not be a good look, even if the legal aspects are "resolved".

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                  • hackjam
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                    • Sep 2021
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by "BuzzNuter"
                    Brother, you need to check the stats. Ben was great in the first 3 games in the playoffs that year. He had a QB rating around 115(?), I believe. It was in the SB against the Seahawks where he had a bad game.
                    Brother, you need to look at the 2004 playoffs when they were bailed out by Doug Brien in the divisional round and got smoked in their own building by the Patriots.

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                    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                      • May 2008
                      • 10281

                      #55
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      QB classes are funny
                      The great 1983 class: John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O'Brien, and Dan Marino

                      3 HOFers, 3 footnotes whose only claim to fame is that they were part of the 1983 QB class.
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                      • SteelBucks
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                        • Aug 2008
                        • 8075

                        #56
                        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        The great 1983 class: John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O'Brien, and Dan Marino

                        3 HOFers, 3 footnotes whose only claim to fame is that they were part of the 1983 QB class.
                        Ken O’Brien was actually a good QB but yes, his claim to fame was being selected over Marino.

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                        • papillon
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                          • Mar 2008
                          • 11340

                          #57
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          but we are cheap as hell when it comes to FA… lol. We bargain basement shop in FA
                          I think them Steelers value their own FAs over somebody else's FAs. That's why they rarely partake in the first round of FA. They wait for the second tier to shake and determine if someone is there that can help. It's just their model and has been for quite some time, sign their own, fill in holes with 2nd tier FAs and draft.

                          Pappy
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                          The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                          1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                          3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                          3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                          4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                          5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                          7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                          "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                          • WindyCitySteel
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                            • Nov 2011
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                            #58
                            Originally posted by papillon
                            I think them Steelers value their own FAs over somebody else's FAs. That's why they rarely partake in the first round of FA. They wait for the second tier to shake and determine if someone is there that can help. It's just their model and has been for quite some time, sign their own, fill in holes with 2nd tier FAs and draft.

                            Pappy
                            Yup, and then have to do it all over again a year or two later because guys like Bostic, Burnett, Barron, Moncrief are not legit starters.

                            It's a failed philosophy. They have a gallon of paint and try to paint the entire barn with it, instead of just focussing on one side.

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                            • "BuzzNuter"
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Mar 2019
                              • 2062

                              #59
                              Originally posted by hackjam
                              Brother, you need to look at the 2004 playoffs when they were bailed out by Doug Brien in the divisional round and got smoked in their own building by the Patriots.
                              Your right , I did not think about his rookie season.

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                              • papillon
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                                • Mar 2008
                                • 11340

                                #60
                                Hardly a failed philosophy, over the past 20 years the Steelers have the 2nd most wins, I believe since 1970 they have the most wins, 6 SBs, multiple AFCCG games and many playoff appearances, can't call it failed because they aren't winning a SB every other year or haven't won a playoff game in 5 years or whatever the time frame. I do think they may have to change their strategy at the quarterback position. I'm not sure that keeping Ben around for the past 5 years was a good idea but its difficult to jettison a guy that has been instrumental in winning a lot of football games.

                                I can't wait to see what the Chiefs do when "cap reality" hits them with Mahomes' contract and trying to keep the team together or keeping it competitive. It's not that simple once good players' contracts end and you have a $40 million dollar cap hit at one position.


                                The same goes for Baltimore, Cincy and San Diego, their QBs are going to command some coin when their rookie deals are up.

                                Pappy
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                                The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                                1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                                3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                                3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                                4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                                5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                                7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                                "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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