Chargers / Raiders Tie

[papillon]

Were the Chargers thinking that the Raiders may try a field goal with around 30 seconds or so, and if they miss, the Chargers wanted a shot at winning?

I just don't see the plausibility in that scenario, they would have had to move the ball about 30 yards with one TO. Only the coach knows what was going through his head. But, it sure looked like the Raiders were just running the clock out, not by taking a knee but by running plays to make it look like an effort was being made to win.

Pappy

[snarky]

Ask yourself if a team needs 10 to15 yards in the closing part of the game to win it all with the clock winding down, why run 3 straight times? They were in no rush for a reason.

I wonder what Sieg was telling Ekeler after the game.

I'm not saying the Raiders were going balls out to get the FG. But they weren't in victory formation either. Bolts gave up twelve yards or whatever on a play where they only should have given up a few. It happens.

[Captain Lemming]

Oh, I must have missed them taking knees and stuff.

Somebody is a little snar….. oh wait.
You actually ARE Snarky.

I guess somebody is HIGHLY self aware.

[T.Ferguson]

I mean Raiders were clearly content to settle for the tie once they got to close to midfield and didn't want to turn the ball over but then Chargers D was so bad Raiders got into FG range and they took a shot. Was Collinsworth drunk tonight, he was saying some weird stuff, I wasn't sure if Raiders had something to play for but thought they did but he should've known and seemed oblivious to the seeding. It seemed like he was cheering for a tie lol.

[Captain Lemming]

I'm not saying the Raiders were going balls out to get the FG. But they weren't in victory formation either. Bolts gave up twelve yards or whatever on a play where they only should have given up a few. It happens.

THAT is the point.
Raiders we’re perfectly happy to tie, thus the play calls.
If there is no time out last run ends the game, no field goal.

[snarky]

THAT is the point.
Raiders we’re perfectly happy to tie, thus the play calls.
If there is no time out last run ends the game, no field goal.

Why do you say that? The raiders still would have had to run their third down play with about 35 seconds to go. And they *did* call a timeout to kick the FG instead of just letting the game end. The chargers time out had very little effect on the clock situation.

[Moonie]

THAT is the point.
Raiders we’re perfectly happy to tie, thus the play calls.
If there is no time out last run ends the game, no field goal.

But does Staley know for sure the Raiders are perfectly happy to tie? Is he thinking they might try a last second FG to win, and he wants time to respond in case the Raiders miss the FG?

I'm just trying to figure out what he could have been thinking.

[SteelBucks]

But does Staley know for sure the Raiders are perfectly happy to tie? Is he thinking they might try a last second FG to win, and he wants time to respond in case the Raiders miss the FG?

I'm just trying to figure out what he could have been thinking.

He said he called the timeout to get the correct run defense in the game. He wanted to make the FG as long as possible if the Raiders tried the kick.

[snarky]

But does Staley know for sure the Raiders are perfectly happy to tie? Is he thinking they might try a last second FG to win, and he wants time to respond in case the Raiders miss the FG?

I'm just trying to figure out what he could have been thinking.

I don't think Staley's timeout had anything to do with clock management. Only Tomlin would call time out with four seconds left on the play clock as a clock management tactic. I think Staley just didn't like the defensive set or he felt they needed a blow before an important third down play. The Raiders were definitely content with a tie...but that doesn't mean they were opposed to a win.

Anyone who has the game on DVR should watch the last two minutes with Collinsworth on mute.

[snarky]

He said he called the timeout to get the correct run defense in the game. He wanted to make the FG as long as possible if the Raiders tried the kick.

There you go. Once again Chris Collinsworth is a clown who merits muting.

[LPMAN]

But does Staley know for sure the Raiders are perfectly happy to tie? Is he thinking they might try a last second FG to win, and he wants time to respond in case the Raiders miss the FG?

I'm just trying to figure out what he could have been thinking.

I think he wanted to talk to the D, get the right play about stopping them on 3rd & 4 so they didn't get a FG attempt. Luckily Josh Jacobs was a monster & picked up the first down running or time would have just expired.

[Captain Lemming]

But does Staley know for sure the Raiders are perfectly happy to tie? Is he thinking they might try a last second FG to win, and he wants time to respond in case the Raiders miss the FG?

I'm just trying to figure out what he could have been thinking.

I think this WAS his mistaken thinking.

[Moonie]

He said he called the timeout to get the correct run defense in the game. He wanted to make the FG as long as possible if the Raiders tried the kick.

So either way, or maybe both ways, it's reasonable for Staley to call time out. Am I right? He couldn't be anywhere near certain that the Raiders were playing for a tie. He has to stop the Raiders from advancing and still save time if he can. He can't just hope the Raiders are not interested in a FG at all.

[snarky]

I think this WAS his mistaken thinking.

But if that was his thinking he would have called time out earlier in the play clock. It makes no sense to call time out with four seconds left on the play clock for that reason.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

No reason in any universe to call a timeout with your season hanging in the balance

I'll play devil's advocate. First of all, Staley waited until the clock ticked down to 4 seconds before calling time out. It isn't like he gave them more than 3 extra seconds. 3rd and 4 on the 39. If the 3rd down play does not pick up the first down then Vegas likely lets the clock run out. The Chargers wanted to make sure that they were prepared so called time out. The problem for the Chargers was that after the time out, not only did they gain the first down, but gained 10 yards into reasonable FG range (47 yards). At that point it is not a huge risk like if they held them to 2-3 yards, and they took out a hated division opponent.

I believe that had the time out not been called, and the Raiders still gained 10 yards that they would still have kicked the FG.