Has Tomlin lost this team?

[Captain Lemming]

That's the most disappointing thing. The Steelers have no hope under Tomlin unless the team is insanely talented, which this one is not.

There has been ONE Steeler coach with an "insanely talented team" and that was Chuck Noll.

Not A SINGLE CHAMPIONSHIP without every one of TEN hall of famers going into the post season.

In 76 we have the entire 10 HOF players in their prime we are missing ONE (Franco) and we don't make the SB.

[Captain Lemming]

That's the most disappointing thing. The Steelers have no hope under Tomlin unless the team is insanely talented, which this one is not.

What would give us a better chance? KCs roster or their coach?

[Ernie]

And to top it all off...
Today's game confirmed that Washington should have been the #3 WR all along- he's the only one that showed up with consistency.
Tomlin had f'n #14 ahead of him.
WTF?!?!

I've said all along that it was a damned shame that JW wasnt targeted more.. hopefully theyll keep him around for MR next year.

[flippy]

Tomlin for king.

[NorthCoast]

And to top it all off...
Today's game confirmed that Washington should have been the #3 WR all along- he's the only one that showed up with consistency.
Tomlin had f'n #14 ahead of him.
WTF?!?!

nah...Washington ain't the answer (and if you search my posts you will find I was pushing for him to get on the field early in the season). Other than DJ none of these WRs can get open against press man. Played right into KC's game.
It is possible it was scheme and route design but we've got receivers that can only run limited route trees. Upgrade needed.

[Ernie]

nah...Washington ain't the answer (and if you search my posts you will find I was pushing for him to get on the field early in the season). Other than DJ none of these WRs can get open against press man. Played right into KC's game.
It is possible it was scheme and route design but we've got receivers that can only run limited route trees. Upgrade needed.

I'd have to see our group perform under a new OC.. with a QB who can make most/all of the throws before making that determination... it's hard to get separation as a WR when DBs dont have to defend the whole field.

[NorthCoast]

I'd have to see our group perform under a new OC.. with a QB who can make most/all of the throws before making that determination... it's hard to get separation as a WR when DBs dont have to defend the whole field.

That part is very true. Defend the first 5 yds and the sidelines and you pretty much got things covered. A high school offense but only the coaches and QB know the reason why. If it was Canada's scheme and not limited by OL and QB, then he needs to be shown the door (and I was one who thought he would do great things this season...).

[BURGH86STEEL]

That part is very true. Defend the first 5 yds and the sidelines and you pretty much got things covered. A high school offense but only the coaches and QB know the reason why. If it was Canada's scheme and not limited by OL and QB, then he needs to be shown the door (and I was one who thought he would do great things this season...).

I give you an example of how I believe the coaches attempted to adapt to the limitations of their players on offense.

The Steelers coaches attempted to place the Steelers offense in 3rd and managable distance. They had some degree off success vs the Chiefs. Unfortunately, poor player execution failed the offense. Missed blocks, dropped passes, poor QB decision making, poorly thrown balls, ect limited the offenses ability to extend drives.

Extend drives and keep the Chiefs potent offense off the field. Don't extend drives and the Chiefs will eventually take advantage of any defense. We knew this going into the game. Steelers defense kept it close for as long as they could with little offensive support.

[Ernie]

I give you an example of how I believe the coaches attempted to adapt to the limitations of their players on offense.

The Steelers coaches attempted to place the Steelers offense in 3rd and managable distance. They had some degree off success vs the Chiefs. Unfortunately, poor player execution failed the offense. Missed blocks, dropped passes, poor QB decision making, poorly thrown balls, ect limited the offenses ability to extend drives.

Extend drives and keep the Chiefs potent offense off the field. Don't extend drives and the Chiefs will eventually take advantage of any defense. We knew this going into the game. Steelers defense kept it close for as long as they could with little offensive support.

Steelers get to 3rd and manageable... then run low % plays (Go Routes, etc.)

[BURGH86STEEL]

Steelers get to 3rd and manageable... then run low % plays (Go Routes, etc.)

Go routes are an option. DJ dropped a couple of 1st down passes. There were probably run/pass options also mixed in. Ben missed some throws. Oline missed some blocks. Execution my friend. Every now and then coaches call a bad play. I don't know the plays that were called. I can show you where the Execution failed.

[Ernie]

Go routes are an option. DJ dropped a couple of 1st down passes. There were probably run/pass options also mixed in. Ben missed some throws. Oline missed some blocks. Execution my friend. Every now and then coaches call a bad play. I don't know the plays that were called. I can show you where the Execution failed.

Good points... but put it into the context of the season. This team was known for slow starts... and that is attributed primarily to the OC.

[NorthCoast]

Go routes are an option. DJ dropped a couple of 1st down passes. There were probably run/pass options also mixed in. Ben missed some throws. Oline missed some blocks. Execution my friend. Every now and then coaches call a bad play. I don't know the plays that were called. I can show you where the Execution failed.

Good points sir. It was pretty evenly matched for a few series. And lo and behold which player started making plays to turn things? Hint; the guy that gets the ball on every snap.... runs for first downs, scrambles, money throws under pressure.

[NorthCoast]

Good points... but put it into the context of the season. This team was known for slow starts... and that is attributed primarily to the OC.

Did Fichnter teach Canada about the slow starts? Cause it was a problem last season as well.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Good points... but put it into the context of the season. This team was known for slow starts... and that is attributed primarily to the OC.

I attribute it to the QB who is a slow starter his entire career. Over the years different OCs attempted to get Ben out of his funk early. Remember the WR screens some fans hated? Give Ben easy throws to warm him up.

How about putting the offense in manageable down and distances only for Ben to over look a wide open WR for a 1st down and throw the low % pass down field.

Look this was Ben's offense. Ultimately, the QB/defense dictates where the ball goes. OCs give experienced QBs options.

IMO Ben short changed the Steelers and fans to an extent. Ben never lived up to his full potential as a player. Why? 1st to leave the building and the last to enter the building attitude. Ben did it his way and won a lot of games and will be in the HOF. I think he probably cheated us fans out of another Superbowl or two based on his talent and teams that were built around him.

In a game where split second decisions matter...

[Northern_Blitz]

That part is very true. Defend the first 5 yds and the sidelines and you pretty much got things covered. A high school offense but only the coaches and QB know the reason why. If it was Canada's scheme and not limited by OL and QB, then he needs to be shown the door (and I was one who thought he would do great things this season...).

This was at least the 2nd OC we ran this offense under (with a bit more glitter with Canada).

The QB had to be a pretty big part of it.

But we'll never know. Because I don't think either side of it is going to spill the beans to throw others under the bus.