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  • SteelerOfDeVille
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 9069

    Originally posted by MCHammer
    Yep. If Freiermuth doesn’t fumble, there is still not enough time to get off the kick. The decision not to kick on 3rd was a bad one, and may have cost us the win and first place in the division as a result.
    .... not attempting a career long in the sleet was a bad decision....

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    • LPMAN
      Pro Bowler
      • Sep 2021
      • 2032

      Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
      It seems that some fans learn nothing.

      What I've learned is that every team has the talent to win regardless of records, stats, fans perceptions, ect. Teams work to improve. Players and coaches are performing for jobs and potential huge contracts at the professional level. Every game is different. What happened vs X, Y, or Z teams doesn't always matter.

      The factor that matters the most is how players perform on game day.
      I don't blame Tomlin for every loss. But geeeez it doesn't take Einstein to run the ball first & goal from the 5 in a rain sleet game with a backup QB & Najee running well. ANSWER PLEEZ ??

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      • Ghost
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 6338

        Originally posted by LPMAN
        I don't blame Tomlin for every loss. But geeeez it doesn't take Einstein to run the ball first & goal from the 5 in a rain sleet game with a backup QB & Najee running well. ANSWER PLEEZ ??
        Tomlin said the first down play call was a run/pass option and Rudolph chose pass. The question is why is Rudolph even given a choice. Take the thinking out of his hands and tell him to run the damn ball. I'm guessing that's on Canada for making the play call.
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        • BURGH86STEEL
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6921

          Originally posted by LPMAN
          I don't blame Tomlin for every loss. But geeeez it doesn't take Einstein to run the ball first & goal from the 5 in a rain sleet game with a backup QB & Najee running well. ANSWER PLEEZ ??
          People love to 2nd guess.

          No guarantee that running the ball scores.

          What we know is that they called a play that would had resulted in TD pass if Mason made a simple NFL caliber throw.

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          • papillon
            Legend
            • Mar 2008
            • 11340

            Originally posted by feltdizz
            Yeah.. that pass was terrible. But if he makes it and we score rest of the game doesn’t play out exactly the way it did.

            The reality is MR had us marching for a game winning FG attempt twice and DJ and Muth put it on the ground.

            It kinda feels like people don’t want to blame Pat because he has played well and is a fan favorite.

            Regardless of how people feel about MR I believe he did enough for us to have a chance to win this game.
            If PF maintains possession the Steelers don't get the opportunity for the kick. The fumble was recovered with 8 seconds, there's no way to get the team from the original LOS and the ones on the sideline into a legal formation in 7 seconds so that MR can spike it and stop the clock. He needed to fight to get OOB. He should have hung on to it though, this team can't afford turnovers, not even one.

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            1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
            3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
            3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
            4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
            5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
            7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

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            • LPMAN
              Pro Bowler
              • Sep 2021
              • 2032

              Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
              People love to 2nd guess.

              No guarantee that running the ball scores.

              What we know is that they called a play that would had resulted in TD pass if Mason made a simple NFL caliber throw.
              That's not a second guess that's my first guess was screaming every play run the ball.

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              • SteelBucks
                Legend
                • Aug 2008
                • 8075

                Originally posted by LPMAN
                I don't blame Tomlin for every loss. But geeeez it doesn't take Einstein to run the ball first & goal from the 5 in a rain sleet game with a backup QB & Najee running well. ANSWER PLEEZ ??
                Apparently Najee was getting a little animated during all of this. He isn’t going to say it but he didn’t understand the three straight passes either.

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                • Mr.wizard
                  Legend
                  • May 2014
                  • 6686

                  Originally posted by Ghost
                  Tomlin said the first down play call was a run/pass option and Rudolph chose pass. The question is why is Rudolph even given a choice. Take the thinking out of his hands and tell him to run the damn ball. I'm guessing that's on Canada for making the play call.
                  Why would you want to do that? If the defense is giving you a look that you should pass against, then pass the ball. The play calling isnt the problem, its the execution.

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                  • SteelBucks
                    Legend
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 8075

                    Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                    Why would you want to do that? If the defense is giving you a look that you should pass against, then pass the ball. The play calling isnt the problem, its the execution.
                    I think Canada's playcalling the entire season has been an issue. A huge issue.

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                    • papillon
                      Legend
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 11340

                      Originally posted by SteelBucks
                      I think Canada's playcalling the entire season has been an issue. A huge issue.
                      Even when the running game is working and it has for the past few weeks he doesn't trust the running game in my opinion. Its as if he isn't sold on the fact that the offensive line can create enough of a crack for NH. Of course, NH doesn't need much of a crack to gain 2 - 3 yards.

                      Pappy
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                      The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                      1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                      3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                      3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                      4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                      5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                      7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                      "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                      • hawaiiansteel
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 35648

                        Originally posted by SteelBucks
                        I think Canada's playcalling the entire season has been an issue. A huge issue.
                        agreed.

                        his offensive game planning and play calling both.

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                        • JTP53609
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1888

                          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                          you're saying the same thing from different perspectives. he's sayin that play started with 15 seconds, ended with a fumble and recover at 8 seconds. i think i get that he's saying that they had no choice but to run that play because 57/58 yard FG in those conditions was a bad idea. meanwhile i think that you said, even if he didn't fumble, 8 seconds with no TO, we aren't sure that they even get a kick off...
                          i was wrong it was 15, but I still like the chances of a 57 yarder
                          -no communication with the offense on situational football
                          -green snapping it over his head
                          -no timeouts
                          -inexperienced offensive line and wideouts
                          - just kick it

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                          • Northern_Blitz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 24373

                            Originally posted by JTP53609
                            i was wrong it was 15, but I still like the chances of a 57 yarder
                            -no communication with the offense on situational football
                            -green snapping it over his head
                            -no timeouts
                            -inexperienced offensive line and wideouts
                            - just kick it
                            On a nice day, I think Boz has a reasonable chance on that kick.

                            But the weather was crap.

                            I don't think it was unreasonable to want to try to get 5 - 15 yards closer.

                            The issue on that play was the fumble (and maybe only throwing it for 1 yard), not trying to get closer IMO.
                            Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 11-15-2021, 02:58 PM.

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                            • Mr.wizard
                              Legend
                              • May 2014
                              • 6686

                              Originally posted by JTP53609
                              i was wrong it was 15, but I still like the chances of a 57 yarder
                              -no communication with the offense on situational football
                              -green snapping it over his head
                              -no timeouts
                              -inexperienced offensive line and wideouts
                              - just kick it
                              i think it would be crazy even on good weather day to leave 15 seconds on the clock and attempt a 57 yarder without trying to get closer.

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                              • NorthCoast
                                Legend
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 26636

                                Win probability for the game. No one wanted to win:

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