Boneheaded Fake Field Goal

[NJ-STEELER]

While you continue to search for things the HC did wrong let me point out a few things that he did right in coaching the team. After all, they DID win the game:

• Put together a defensive gameplan that held the #1 rushing team in the NFL to 60+ yds under their per gm avg
• Held a top 10 RB to -1 yd for the entire 2nd quarter
• Won the game TOP despite the Browns being #1 in TOP per game this season
• Held CLE to 3 of 10 on 3rd down conversions; and zero 4th down conversions
• Fielded a rookie studded OL that allowed just 2 sacks against the #3 sack defense
• Fielded an offense that rushed for 30 more yds than the #3 rush defense allowed per game

And oh, yea, did a mention they won the game?

yes, the players bailed him out again.

like he said in his press conference. did you miss that?

[hawaiiansteel]

Steel City Star
@steelcitystar

This weekend in Steelers fake FG history....

Bill Cowher thought that using placekicker Gary Anderson as a runner would be a smart idea. He was wrong.

The Steelers then ended up losing by a FG in OT.

Oct 30, 1994

https://twitter.com/steelcitystar/status/1455001200051605505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1455001200051605505%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelersuniverse.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%2F33266-Oct-30-1994-and-a-Fake-FG

[NorthCoast]

yes, the players bailed him out again.

like he said in his press conference. did you miss that?

Gotcha. So, Tomlin was outcoached in the playoff loss last season, but doesn't get credit for yesterday's win. Pretty much settles where your views are.

[NJ-STEELER]

Gotcha. So, Tomlin was outcoached in the playoff loss last season, but doesn't get credit for yesterday's win. Pretty much settles where your views are.

that seems to be right out of the "blame ben book' you and others love to use

[LPMAN]

Would love to hear (and know I will) the defense of Tomlin’s ridiculous decision to fake a field goal with a direct snap to our kicker when the Steelers were about to take the lead going into the half of a must win game and get the ball back after the half.

It’s possible our kicker just got knocked out of the game with this hare-brained amateurish garbage call.

I actually love the aggressive call. Obviously not the results. Wish we would do it more in all phases of our game. one of the Steelers biggest weaknesses is being safe & predictable.

[NorthCoast]

that seems to be right out of the "blame ben book' you and others love to use

Yep. I blame Roethlisberger for the win yesterday; #105 http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums...ell-Now/page11

[Moonie]

Steel City Star
@steelcitystar

This weekend in Steelers fake FG history....

Bill Cowher thought that using placekicker Gary Anderson as a runner would be a smart idea. He was wrong.

The Steelers then ended up losing by a FG in OT.

Oct 30, 1994

https://twitter.com/steelcitystar/st...-and-a-Fake-FG

That's fundamentally 180 degrees different. That was 4th quarter, 4th and 7 at the 26, and we were down 3. Cowher should have taken the points. No decent coach would EVER fake a field goal in that situation.

[feltdizz]

Boz has a good sense of humor about it:

lmao.. thats a good one.

[feltdizz]

Yep. I blame Roethlisberger for the win yesterday; #105 http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums...ell-Now/page11

nah.. Muth bailed Ben out for the win.. lol

OL also bailed him by keeping him clean most of the game.

Bailouts all around!!!

[MCHammer]

When is the time to fake a field goal? I'm seriously asking. It sounds like you are saying it should only be tried (1) when you are ahead and (2) in the second half.

Other posters, like the OP, seem to have absolutely no idea when a field goal should be tried, rendering their opinions on yesterday's fake field goal unsupportable and frivolous even if correct (stopped clock phenomena).

The "OP" does not owe you answers to your absurd hypotheticals. The discussion that the "OP" started is about the actual decision that was made, not a series of hypothetical fake field goals in scenarios that did not exist. Your claim that I cannot come up with a hypothetical fake field goal option that I would support is a ludicrous attempt to deflect from the actual issue. You have no argument and so you attack me personally and call my argument "frivolous" even if correct. Well GFY if that is your attitude. Your false choice of me being required to jump through imaginary hoops in order to criticize an obviously ridiculous call is just you being a fool.

It was 4th and 9 in a low scoring slug fest tied 3-3 with half the game left and you think it was a good idea to trade a sure 3 points for the chance that our kicker would complete a 20 yard pass into the end zone? All the hypos in the world aren't going to magically make that decision a good one.

[NJ-STEELER]

Yep. I blame Roethlisberger for the win yesterday; #105 http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums...ell-Now/page11

cool, so you're saying you never blamed him for a loss, never taken a shot at criticizing him, never made fun of him on this forum.
Am i getting that right?

[Mr.wizard]

The "OP" does not owe you answers to your absurd hypotheticals. The discussion that the "OP" started is about the actual decision that was made, not a series of hypothetical fake field goals in scenarios that did not exist. Your claim that I cannot come up with a hypothetical fake field goal option that I would support is a ludicrous attempt to deflect from the actual issue. You have no argument and so you attack me personally and call my argument "frivolous" even if correct. Well GFY if that is your attitude. Your false choice of me being required to jump through imaginary hoops in order to criticize an obviously ridiculous call is just you being a fool.

It was 4th and 9 in a low scoring slug fest tied 3-3 with half the game left and you think it was a good idea to trade a sure 3 points for the chance that our kicker would complete a 20 yard pass into the end zone? All the hypos in the world aren't going to magically make that decision a good one.

Its a legit question if your going to call the call "obviously ridiculous", then you are saying you are using some criteria to judge the decision, he just asked what it was. It seems your only criteria for judging a deciscion to call a fake is whether or not it works.

[MCHammer]

Then you can't read because I reject the BS reasoning of any play that works is a good call. I've argued against that BS circular reasoning on here every season I have ever posted on here.

Me coming up with a fake field goal call that I personally approve is not connected in any way to the one we all witnessed yesterday. It is a good call or a bad call. MCHammer coming up with hypos has literally no effect on this. In a universe where I do not exist, the call is still horrible (or not if you are dumb). It is not about me and the attempt to make it about me is a misdirection ploy.

[BURGH86STEEL]

cool, so you're saying you never blamed him for a loss, never taken a shot at criticizing him, never made fun of him on this forum.
Am i getting that right?

It's unfortunate that you can't recognize Tomlin for his coaching prowess among his peers today. Oh well. At the end of the day you are the one with the "hater" problem. May the negative side of the universe bless you.

[Moonie]

The "OP" does not owe you answers to your absurd hypotheticals. The discussion that the "OP" started is about the actual decision that was made, not a series of hypothetical fake field goals in scenarios that did not exist. Your claim that I cannot come up with a hypothetical fake field goal option that I would support is a ludicrous attempt to deflect from the actual issue. You have no argument and so you attack me personally and call my argument "frivolous" even if correct. Well GFY if that is your attitude. Your false choice of me being required to jump through imaginary hoops in order to criticize an obviously ridiculous call is just you being a fool.

It was 4th and 9 in a low scoring slug fest tied 3-3 with half the game left and you think it was a good idea to trade a sure 3 points for the chance that our kicker would complete a 20 yard pass into the end zone? All the hypos in the world aren't going to magically make that decision a good one.

I didn't pose any hypotheticals, nor ask you to come up with any. I asked you when you think it's a good call to fake a field goal, since you have such forceful opinions that the one yesterday was not a good call. You've admitted you have no criteria at all for when its a good call or bad call, which renders your opinion on this issue arbitrary and capricious.

Since that time, one of our best field goal researchers has uncovered a VERY similar fake field goal attempt in 2018 against Denver. Was that a good call in your opinion? If so, what distinguishes it from yesterday's call? If not, you can wash the gravy stains out of your socks, and admit that you believe fake field goals are never a good call. I'd actually agree with you if that latter point was your opinion.