He has given up

[NorthCoast]

He had no options on both of those 4th down plays, (the WR's can't get open) and Canada called both of those plays. Ben said a few weeks ago, that he only has 20 some plays to go through when they have to go no huddle, so perhaps his hands are somewhat tied calling audibles in those situations. Not sure. He said they used to have 100. Thats Canadas doing there. And lets not forget that Canada had a HUGE roll in last years offense under Fichtner. That short passing game was his invention that Fichtner ran.

Our WR's are also not great. JuJu is no number 1, which he was supposed to be after AB left us. time to move on from him and draft a real #1 WR next year.

Collectively, its the entire offense at fault, but I honestly believe most of the blame should be given to Canada. What are the options as far as moving on from him? None at this point, so, my thoughts are that we continue doing what they are doing now- running more to get this OL some time to gel, maybe activate Dobbs and bring him in on certain situations where we need another option with a running QB. Just my 2 cents.

This is false. Go back and look at the 4th and 4 yesterday. Muth is wide open on Roethlisberger's left side for an easy pickup and maybe a big gain. He never looked in that direction. Just like he never looked to the EZ on the 4th and 10 play the week before.

I said before the game that GB struggles to cover the TEs in their games. Muth with one target on the day.

[pfelix73]

If you honestly watch you would see that the rushers on maybe 1/2 of the rushes are on Ben as soon as he gets to his drop. He probably has a pocket one out of 5 dropbacks. He's throwing some bad passes but I don't think he has had blocking this bad in his whole career. This is a bad scenario. I don't know how much more of this Ben will take. I could see him taking over the play calling on the field and telling the OC to pound sand up his a##. You know there appears to be an attitude problem with the offense. I don't know, it can't go on like this.

I'd love to see that. Ben calling all the plays and telling Canada to get out of here. As per the discussion today on the local radio, there is a consensus in the Burgh that the line play was better in this game. And I agree. Gotta give the big guys more time to gel. I used to play LT, and its not easy. Communication is so damned important.

[NorthCoast]

If you honestly watch you would see that the rushers on maybe 1/2 of the rushes are on Ben as soon as he gets to his drop. He probably has a pocket one out of 5 dropbacks. He's throwing some bad passes but I don't think he has had blocking this bad in his whole career. This is a bad scenario. I don't know how much more of this Ben will take. I could see him taking over the play calling on the field and telling the OC to pound sand up his a##. You know there appears to be an attitude problem with the offense. I don't know, it can't go on like this.

Wow do you have a short memory. That's the offense we saw for the last six weeks of last season. Excluding the playoff game Roethlisberger's quick throw offense cracked 20 pts one time in 5 games. No thanks.

[NJ-STEELER]

ha.. the only problem with your example is Mahorn would still be in the paint when MJ passed up the 3.

No one was in Ben’s face on these 4th down passes. I don’t think he was even touched on these plays.

its the threat of getting hit more then getting hit.

the ball coming out quickly reduces the chances of mahorn running thru him

[NJ-STEELER]

Ben is just old. That’s all. It happens to all of them.

We need to hold management more accountable for this then anyone.

As Northcoast said,” it’s better to get rid of a guy one year early instead of one year too late. “

the year ending injury to Ben's throwing arm should have sped that process up. instead they doubled down on yet another defensive piece in a year they could have possibly be picking top 10. 3 franchise type QBs drafted in the top 10 that year

they also got to see the possible future at QB that year. from their actions since then, I'll guess they weren't too impressed

[NJ-STEELER]

If you honestly watch you would see that the rushers on maybe 1/2 of the rushes are on Ben as soon as he gets to his drop. He probably has a pocket one out of 5 dropbacks. He's throwing some bad passes but I don't think he has had blocking this bad in his whole career. This is a bad scenario. I don't know how much more of this Ben will take. I could see him taking over the play calling on the field and telling the OC to pound sand up his a##. You know there appears to be an attitude problem with the offense. I don't know, it can't go on like this.

I focused on the OL a bit more then usual on some plays. they are getting manhandled.

read today that the steelers have been the least blitzed team this year. defenses don't have to send extra men, they are getting to Ben sending 4 or less

[pfelix73]

This is false. Go back and look at the 4th and 4 yesterday. Muth is wide open on Roethlisberger's left side for an easy pickup and maybe a big gain. He never looked in that direction. Just like he never looked to the EZ on the 4th and 10 play the week before.

I said before the game that GB struggles to cover the TEs in their games. Muth with one target on the day.

Post the video of these plays, please. Because what I saw, that isn't so. I beleive yesterdays play was predetermined anyway. He passed it so fast, he didn't go through progressions. Maybe I'm wrong, but would like to see the vidwo

[pfelix73]

I focused on the OL a bit more then usual on some plays. they are getting manhandled.

read today that the steelers have been the least blitzed team this year. defenses don't have to send extra men, they are getting to Ben sending 4 or less

Not according to the local press today. they said yesterday, that the OL played much better.

[Ernie]

That’s fair but attacking a HOF QBs desire is not. Sorry but that’s very weak.

We all saw Hines Ward's expression on the sidelines at the very end of his career... his jacket draped over him.. we all knew he was done.. and Ben's not far from that point.

[Eich]

We all saw Hines Ward's expression on the sidelines at the very end of his career... his jacket draped over him.. we all knew he was done.. and Ben's not far from that point.

That will be a sad day for sure. And I really hope we don't have anywhere near the same 13 starting QB wait for our next franchise guy.

[NorthCoast]

Post the video of these plays, please. Because what I saw, that isn't so. I beleive yesterdays play was predetermined anyway. He passed it so fast, he didn't go through progressions. Maybe I'm wrong, but would like to see the vidwo

See clip #2, Muth is near the bottom of the screen; https://steelersdepot.com/2021/10/fi...4th-down-play/ (there is an EZ view of the same play showing defender is well away from Muth, still looking for a link to that)

I think you are right. There was no intention of throwing it anywhere else, which is maddening.

[feltdizz]

See clip #2, Muth is near the bottom of the screen; https://steelersdepot.com/2021/10/fi...4th-down-play/ (there is an EZ view of the same play showing defender is well away from Muth, still looking for a link to that)

I think you are right. There was no intention of throwing it anywhere else, which is maddening.

I think on a lot of these 4th down plays Ben has his mind made up before the snap.

Which is why I don’t but the OL sucking as an excuse for these quick decisions. Teams show blitz and Ben doesn’t even scan the field.. just dumps it to Najee or JuJu.

Use the TE. He’s wide open!!!

[pfelix73]

I do have a question - Not sure if it's Ben or Canada but there were 5 times in the first half where Harris carried on 1st down and got at least 4 yards (sometimes as much as 7 or 8 yards). And every time Ben threw on 2nd down. It was the perfect time to run on 2nd and see about establishing a run game. Who's making the call to throw? The play calling or Ben improvising is downright nonsensical at this point. They are 18-43 on 3rd down and 0-3 on 4th.

Yep. I mentioned this in another thread. I took notice of that too. Canada sucks

[pfelix73]

See clip #2, Muth is near the bottom of the screen; https://steelersdepot.com/2021/10/fi...4th-down-play/ (there is an EZ view of the same play showing defender is well away from Muth, still looking for a link to that)

I think you are right. There was no intention of throwing it anywhere else, which is maddening.

So, they were just talking about this on the back side of Tomlins noon PC. Tomlin was asked about this, and he made 1 subtle remark that went something like this. Ben doesn't have the means to change a play in those 'waning moments' before the ball is hiked. Meaning, that Canada has reigned in Ben and his ability to change at LOS. This is absurd. IF Canada is coaching us like a college team, then he needs to go back to college.

[Northern_Blitz]

So, they were just talking about this on the back side of Tomlins noon PC. Tomlin was asked about this, and he made 1 subtle remark that went something like this. Ben doesn't have the means to change a play in those 'waning moments' before the ball is hiked. Meaning, that Canada has reigned in Ben and his ability to change at LOS. This is absurd. IF Canada is coaching us like a college team, then he needs to go back to college.

I don't know if the green sentence follows from the gold one.

Did Tomlin say the 2nd part, or is that what you're assuming it means?

The Depot talks about this play here:

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/10/tomlin-on-4th-down-playcalls-i-had-a-great-deal-of-confidence-in-the-plays-that-were-called/

They way they described it on the podcast was that we called a play expecting man (which worked earlier in the game). But GB came out in zone. We probably noticed that late in the play clock (some kind of motion I think they said?).

If their analysis is correct, I think the gold sentence may be a reference to there only being a few seconds left on the play clock and difficulties checking out of a play and into another one and communicating the new play to the rest of the offense.

I think his choices are (i) run the play or (ii) call a time out.

That may still mean that the original play call is bad (especially coming out of a time out).