Can we just stop already with the ben debate!

[SteelerOfDeVille]

The best part about the Cowher's players argument is that it's simultaneously saying that (i) the players are the most important thing for winning / losing and (ii) winning and losing is all because of the coach.

I agree with point (i).

Oh... That team that cowher went 8-8 with in his final year?

And didn't Cowher pass on Brady 5 times or so...Took Tee Martin in front of him. So, Cowher's eye for players sucks (even tho we really know the GM does all that)

[Northern_Blitz]

Oh... That team that cowher went 8-8 with in his final year?

And didn't Cowher pass on Brady 5 times or so...Took Tee Martin in front of him. So, Cowher's eye for players sucks (even tho we really know the GM does all that)

I don't think you're being super-serious here...

But I think it's just that scouting, especially scouting QBs, is really hard.

There doesn't seem to be a reliable way to predict QB success unless a guy is a total phenom.

And even then, there was some argument about Leaf > Manning before the draft.

[flippy]

I don't think you're being super-serious here...

But I think it's just that scouting, especially scouting QBs, is really hard.

There doesn't seem to be a reliable way to predict QB success unless a guy is a total phenom.

And even then, there was some argument about Leaf > Manning before the draft.

You can pretty much tell if a guy has an arm or not. Beyond that, it’s a crap shoot how fast he’s going to think and process info.

[NorthCoast]

Roethlisberger's numbers against BUF and CIN last year and this year. Honestly, not a huge difference. So two different lines (both horrible), no running game, and QB results are similar. CIN numbers this season are a little skewed from garbage time.

	Rating	Comp%	Yards	yds/att	TDs	INTs
BUF 2020	65.9	56.8	187	5.1	2	2
BUF 2021	83.9	56.3	188	5.9	1	0
CIN 2020	62.4	52.6	170	4.5	1	1
CIN 2021	70.9	65.5	318	5.5	1	2

Roethlisberger's current rating is 79. Have to go all the way back to 2008 when he finished at about 80. Looking at his ratings back then he was all over the place that season. The low was a 15 rating against WAS (and the Steelers won).

[Northern_Blitz]

Roethlisberger's numbers against BUF and CIN last year and this year. Honestly, not a huge difference. So two different lines (both horrible), no running game, and QB results are similar. CIN numbers this season are a little skewed from garbage time.

	Rating	Comp%	Yards	yds/att	TDs	INTs
BUF 2020	65.9	56.8	187	5.1	2	2
BUF 2021	83.9	56.3	188	5.9	1	0
CIN 2020	62.4	52.6	170	4.5	1	1
CIN 2021	70.9	65.5	318	5.5	1	2

Roethlisberger's current rating is 79. Have to go all the way back to 2008 when he finished at about 80. Looking at his ratings back then he was all over the place that season. The low was a 15 rating against WAS (and the Steelers won).

I think this is kind of the point...or at least it will be if the trend continues for a few more games.

The offense sucks.

And Ben doesn't look like the solution.

And Ben isn't going to be playing for us next season.

So at some point (maybe soon if current trends continue), it might be worth looking to see if any of the other QBs can make chicken salad out of our current offensive situation.

Even if they are not better QBs in the present, they may be better QBs for this offense...especially Haskins who at least has some level of mobility. Which seems to be a good trait since running for your life seems to be an important part of our QB's job description.

If we decide to go this route, I think it will be presented as Ben going out on an injury. Because Lord knows he's taking a lot of punishment behind this OL.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I don't think you're being super-serious here...

But I think it's just that scouting, especially scouting QBs, is really hard.

There doesn't seem to be a reliable way to predict QB success unless a guy is a total phenom.

And even then, there was some argument about Leaf > Manning before the draft.

No, i wasn't serious - it was poking fun at some of the bad logic, which seems obvious when used in weird places, like i did there.

But, sometimes you can tell if a guy has *it* by simply watching him a few times. I saw Drew Brees in college. I knew the hype was around Vick, but I thought Drew would be BETTER. Mind you, Drew was too short, didn't have the arm strength, etc. But, imagine a career of Drew in BnG... I think it'd be better than Ben. (Looking back, I mocked Brees and Fred Smoot that year - but, can't be upset about Hampton and Kendrell Bell).

But, too many times, we've seen a Jay Cutler (guy with a cannon, but doesn't have it between the ears).

Honestly, if he is cleared, I'd sell the farm to get Deshaun Watson, who is a known commodity in the NFL and won't take multiple years to get to his prime. I'd give 2 firsts (2022, 2024) and 2 seconds (2022, 2023). And would consider throwing in a young player or two (not named TJ or Minkah) along the way

[feltdizz]

Roethlisberger's numbers against BUF and CIN last year and this year. Honestly, not a huge difference. So two different lines (both horrible), no running game, and QB results are similar. CIN numbers this season are a little skewed from garbage time.

	Rating	Comp%	Yards	yds/att	TDs	INTs
BUF 2020	65.9	56.8	187	5.1	2	2
BUF 2021	83.9	56.3	188	5.9	1	0
CIN 2020	62.4	52.6	170	4.5	1	1
CIN 2021	70.9	65.5	318	5.5	1	2

Roethlisberger's current rating is 79. Have to go all the way back to 2008 when he finished at about 80. Looking at his ratings back then he was all over the place that season. The low was a 15 rating against WAS (and the Steelers won).

Looks like if Ben doesn't throw to the other team our chances of winning increase.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Tomlin has wasted so many seasons of having loaded rosters.
A few of us could see what really needed to be done several seasons ago. Now this what we are left with.
Those same fans that praised every draft pick to be bpa and player acquisition, are pretending they didn’t say those things and are now blaming Ben.

I didn't praise every pick and if I can say myself my drafts were often better than Colbret's. The Bush trade up cost too much and frankly he's not that good. I would have went with Sweat on round he ( good pass rusher ) Dk Metcalf ( one of the top wr's in the game. You can't stack the line or cover him with a 2nd rate cb ) and taken the Bengal's ILB ( forget his name, he starts ) in round three AND kept or 3 round pick.

Now, which draft was better. There is more. Howard over Burns. Said so. And I keep the third that year and select Simmons. He's a pro bowl safety. There is more, but you get the point.

Colbert has done a food job in free agency. Picking DB's not so much. I agreed with the Watt selection.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

No, i wasn't serious - it was poking fun at some of the bad logic, which seems obvious when used in weird places, like i did there.

But, sometimes you can tell if a guy has *it* by simply watching him a few times. I saw Drew Brees in college. I knew the hype was around Vick, but I thought Drew would be BETTER. Mind you, Drew was too short, didn't have the arm strength, etc. But, imagine a career of Drew in BnG... I think it'd be better than Ben. (Looking back, I mocked Brees and Fred Smoot that year - but, can't be upset about Hampton and Kendrell Bell).

But, too many times, we've seen a Jay Cutler (guy with a cannon, but doesn't have it between the ears).

Honestly, if he is cleared, I'd sell the farm to get Deshaun Watson, who is a known commodity in the NFL and won't take multiple years to get to his prime. I'd give 2 firsts (2022, 2024) and 2 seconds (2022, 2023). And would consider throwing in a young player or two (not named TJ or Minkah) along the way

Watson is radio active. The sinster looking guy ( yes I am serious, looks like a bad guy ) has not spoken much for a reason and what makes you thinks wants to play for the Steelers?

[Captain Lemming]

I didn't praise every pick and if I can say myself my drafts were often better than Colbret's. The Bush trade up cost too much and frankly he's not that good. I would have went with Sweat on round he ( good pass rusher ) Dk Metcalf ( one of the top wr's in the game. You can't stack the line or cover him with a 2nd rate cb ) and taken the Bengal's ILB ( forget his name, he starts ) in round three AND kept or 3 round pick.

Now, which draft was better. There is more. Howard over Burns. Said so. And I keep the third that year and select Simmons. He's a pro bowl safety. There is more, but you get the point.

Colbert has done a food job in free agency. Picking DB's not so much. I agreed with the Watt selection.

Yes, you are an incredible 100 percent prophet as is EVERY NEWBIE who has no verifiable history here.

"Often" better?
You are being too modest. You are a genius.

The team needs scouts. Please share with them your incredible skills at talent evaluation.

[hawaiiansteel]

Honestly, if he is cleared, I'd sell the farm to get Deshaun Watson, who is a known commodity in the NFL and won't take multiple years to get to his prime. I'd give 2 firsts (2022, 2024) and 2 seconds (2022, 2023). And would consider throwing in a young player or two (not named TJ or Minkah) along the way

the Texans have reportedly lowered their trade demands for Watson, and the trade deadline is Nov. 2.

look for the Dolphins to land him.

[NorthCoast]

the Texans have reportedly lowered their trade demands for Watson, and the trade deadline is Nov. 2.

look for the Dolphins to land him.

Good call. Looks likely but I still don't understand this. You trade away multiple first round picks for a franchise QB that very well may get suspended or 'exempted' this season, and then who knows what happens next. That's a lot to pay for a guy that's not on the field.

[feltdizz]

Good call. Looks likely but I still don't understand this. You trade away multiple first round picks for a franchise QB that very well may get suspended or 'exempted' this season, and then who knows what happens next. That's a lot to pay for a guy that's not on the field.

I’m sure the NFL has probably let interested teams know the level of punishment. More than likely its 8 games max.

I wonder if Miami or whoever gets him just sits him the rest of this year.

I think what happens next is he plays next year. I believe its still a civil case and not criminal so at most he has to pay up or settle if he wants to move on quickly but it feels like he is going to fight this to the end.

[Northern_Blitz]

Good call. Looks likely but I still don't understand this. You trade away multiple first round picks for a franchise QB that very well may get suspended or 'exempted' this season, and then who knows what happens next. That's a lot to pay for a guy that's not on the field.

I think this assumes that the teams wouldn't be in consultation with the league on discipline.

I don't get why he wasn't exempted at the beginning of the season.

Then he could have been traded after the exemption ended.

The league has already shown with AB that you don't even need to be under contract to serve a suspension.


I could see the league also making an argument that having him sit out so far this season is like "time served" to a suspension.

But all of that would go out the window if he's found guilty of anything (I assume the cases are still under investigation and weren't settled out of court).

[Steel Maniac]

Good call. Looks likely but I still don't understand this. You trade away multiple first round picks for a franchise QB that very well may get suspended or 'exempted' this season, and then who knows what happens next. That's a lot to pay for a guy that's not on the field.

Which shows you the value of a legit franchise QB.