Steelers vs Bumgals

[skyhawk]

Heck, even Randy Fichtner

Omfg omfg omfg what? His stench remains.

[papillon]

And the ravens just kicked a NFL record 66 yard FG to win their game. Hit the crossbar and bounced over.

I hate today.

Well, the Lions played prevent defense on 4th and 19 and gave a big play and thus preventing victory so it worked, I guess, just not the way they thought. Why in God's green earth would you play that defense when your standard defense was causing Jackson issues all damn day? They deserved to lose.

Pappy

[NorthCoast]

Matt Canada’s offense makes me long for the good ole days of Todd Haley.

It's what happens when you try to teach an old QB new tricks. And he is a sitting duck back there for these pass rushers.

[NJ-STEELER]

I think they thought that DD would be back and that his decline last year was medical. But OT was still a huge question mark (as was C).

I still think that TE was a luxury pick we probably shouldn't have gone for with such big needs on OL. But maybe he was BPA on our board. And a good TE might help with the rebuild.

my example was this year. but i'm not just talking about this past year.

a guy like green should have been drafted 2-3 years ago and allowed to learn on the bench and step in this year playing at a higher level. pouncey's decline was clear

how are you going to do that when you spend so many assets on defense

[Buzz]

Omfg omfg omfg what? His stench remains.

Not that I really want to bring Fichtner back, but to date, what specifically has Canada done that has improved our offense?

[NJ-STEELER]

Well, the Lions played prevent defense on 4th and 19 and gave a big play and thus preventing victory so it worked, I guess, just not the way they thought. Why in God's green earth would you play that defense when your standard defense was causing Jackson issues all damn day? They deserved to lose.

Pappy

they got boned on the play before the FG. clear delay of game penalty.'

the league loves propping up its "stars' though

[Northern_Blitz]

Easily the best kicker of all time, North.

I think you're right.

Best since I've been watching anyway.

[Northern_Blitz]

my example was this year. but i'm not just talking about this past year.

a guy like green should have been drafted 2-3 years ago and allowed to learn on the bench and step in this year playing at a higher level. pouncey's decline was clear

how are you going to do that when you spend so many assets on defense

I'm not sure if using early picks to have guys sit behind entrenched starters is a great strategy.

I think we also have to remember that we had to rebuild the defense after Shazier got hurt.

I would have loved to have starter capable guys ready to step in this year. But I think they would have been wasted early draft picks when we needed big help on D (at ILB, S, OLB).

Maybe we could argue that we could have taken fewer early round WRs? But that also seems like a good strategy if it's allowing us to avoid 2nd contracts for WRs, which I think are not a good value.

In the last 5 or so years, I think it made sense to focus on trying to use picks for guys that were going to contribute in the shorter term since any year could have been Ben's last.

It's why I disliked the Mason pick (and the Dobbs pick too). We basically knew those picks weren't going to improve the team in the short term. And I thought it would have been better to get cheap vet backups (or just keep L.Jones).

And I think it seems reasonable to think that the QB might be just as big a problem with the O at this point as the OL is IMO.

[NorthCoast]

I'm not sure if using early picks to have guys sit behind entrenched starters is a great strategy.

I think we also have to remember that we had to rebuild the defense after Shazier got hurt.

I would have loved to have starter capable guys ready to step in this year. But I think they would have been wasted early draft picks when we needed big help on D (at ILB, S, OLB).

Maybe we could argue that we could have taken fewer early round WRs? But that also seems like a good strategy if it's allowing us to avoid 2nd contracts for WRs, which I think are not a good value.

Why argue w these guys? Some fail to see the Steelers defense was at the bottom of the league before they upgraded.

[Northern_Blitz]

Why argue w these guys? Some fail to see the Steelers defense was at the bottom of the league before they upgraded.

Options (probably a bit of all of these things):
1) I love to hear myself talk / see my own writing;
2) I'm a glutton for punishment; and
3) I think NJ is usually pretty reasonable.

But I agree that it's odd to argue (a) we missed the playoffs for a few years because our D sucked; (b) we lost to Jax in the playoffs because our defense sucked; and (c) we should have used our best draft capital since then to take offensive guys that weren't going to start for a good portion of their cheap rookie contracts.

[Terrapin]

This team is hot garbage from the top to bottom. As of now I'm praying we don't win another game all year. Get a top 5 pick and get our next QB. Go O line the rest of the draft. And get Tomlin, Canada, and the rest of these idiots the hell out of here already

[BURGH86STEEL]

I'm not sure if using early picks to have guys sit behind entrenched starters is a great strategy.

I think we also have to remember that we had to rebuild the defense after Shazier got hurt.

I would have loved to have starter capable guys ready to step in this year. But I think they would have been wasted early draft picks when we needed big help on D (at ILB, S, OLB).

Maybe we could argue that we could have taken fewer early round WRs? But that also seems like a good strategy if it's allowing us to avoid 2nd contracts for WRs, which I think are not a good value.

In the last 5 or so years, I think it made sense to focus on trying to use picks for guys that were going to contribute in the shorter term since any year could have been Ben's last.

It's why I disliked the Mason pick (and the Dobbs pick too). We basically knew those picks weren't going to improve the team in the short term. And I thought it would have been better to get cheap vet backups (or just keep L.Jones).

And I think it seems reasonable to think that the QB might be just as big a problem with the O at this point as the OL is IMO.

I think that most teams draft 1st and 2nd round players with the idea that they will be starters or contributors early on.

In an ideal world teams could stock pile quality players behind starters. The salary capp is a huge obstacle.

[NJ-STEELER]

Options (probably a bit of all of these things):
1) I love to hear myself talk / see my own writing;
2) I'm a glutton for punishment; and
3) I think NJ is usually pretty reasonable.

But I agree that it's odd to argue (a) we missed the playoffs for a few years because our D sucked; (b) we lost to Jax in the playoffs because our defense sucked; and (c) we should have used our best draft capital since then to take offensive guys that weren't going to start for a good portion of their cheap rookie contracts.

why does out D suck when we had heyward, tuiit, watt, bud, haden as the cornerstones of this defense

teams have top ranked defenses without that much talent on that side of the ball. why does this defensive scheme need every player to be a top pick and/or a player that has done so well to earn a big contract haden/schobert

why is edmunds a BPA at that time in the first round when you have lamar jackson sitting right there?

[NJ-STEELER]

This team is hot garbage from the top to bottom. As of now I'm praying we don't win another game all year. Get a top 5 pick and get our next QB. Go O line the rest of the draft. And get Tomlin, Canada, and the rest of these idiots the hell out of here already

from what i'm reading right now, the QB class isn't impressing anyone

[Northern_Blitz]

I think that most teams draft 1st and 2nd round players with the idea that they will be starters or contributors early on.

In an ideal world teams could stock pile quality players behind starters. The salary capp is a huge obstacle.

I agree that you want to maximize the contributions of early round picks while they're underpaid in their 1st contracts.