Looking at the last 3 years of Pgh drafts

[Northern_Blitz]

Well you have your key players like Watt and very good red chip players like Ju-Ju . That is a heck of a draft, plus Sutton we hope is a solid starter. 2017 was well above average more like very good and we got something out of Conner so you have to favor that in too.

Fitz wasn't a draft pick, but he was certainly a great trade! Wroth more than we could get with our first round pick and signed for cheap.

A decent draft to me produces 2 starters and 1 good role player. The value of the starters selected can turn a good draft to a very good draft. I'd give 2017 an A-

Thanks Joel.

I don't disagree with you.

2017. Not sure how you can do much better than what we have here. I think 2020 was good, but won't likely have someone as good as Watt because that kind of success is very rare. Especially where we tend to pick.

2018 this is the worst of these drafts. One consistent starter, two backups that can start for stretches if needed in JW and Chuks.

2019. Bush and Johnson are clearly starters and big contributors at their positions. Snell and Buggs are role players.

2020. 3 starters already in Claypool (maybe not a starter but hard to define at WR. Certainly an impact player). Highsmith and Dotson will start this year. And that doesn't even count Fitz. This looks like a very good draft even if McF doesn't become anything. And that's without a 1st round pick.

By your standards isn't that 3 good years or of 4?

[Steel Maniac]

At least most of these guys are still on the team, and contributing to some degree.

But it would sure be nice to hit some real home runs with our first 3 or 4 picks this year

Yeah, we need to pull out 2/3 more starters from this next draft. Need an infusion of talent and depth big time in few spots.

[Northern_Blitz]

Yeah, we need to pull out 2/3 more starters from this next draft. Need an infusion of talent and depth big time in few spots.

I think we'll end up with starters by necessity with several of these guys.

We don't have many players under contract for the 2022 season.

[NorthCoast]

Call it what you want, he's a below average 1st round pick who starts for now because there is little depth behind him.

We could have had better at the same position later or better at many positions later.

Edmunds to you cover guys may be fast, but he's stiff, doesn't get his head turned around to defend the pass. and can't match up well vs TE's. He would very suspect without the pass rush he gets. Fitz next to him IMO makes him a just passable starter.

He is the 3rd best safety in that draft class behind only Fitzpatrick and Jessie Bates. It's taken him some time for the game to slow down for him but he was solid last season. The Steelers could have done a whole lot worse.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Thanks Joel.

I don't disagree with you.

2017. Not sure how you can do much better than what we have here. I think 2020 was good, but won't likely have someone as good as Watt because that kind of success is very rare. Especially where we tend to pick.

2018 this is the worst of these drafts. One consistent starter, two backups that can start for stretches if needed in JW and Chuks.

2019. Bush and Johnson are clearly starters and big contributors at their positions. Snell and Buggs are role players.

2020. 3 starters already in Claypool (maybe not a starter but hard to define at WR. Certainly an impact player). Highsmith and Dotson will start this year. And that doesn't even count Fitz. This looks like a very good draft even if McF doesn't become anything. And that's without a 1st round pick.

By your standards isn't that 3 good years or of 4?

No.

Only 2017 qualifies as a good draft.
2018 sucked
2019 was decent, but Bush I think relative to what we spent to get him is a little disappointing
2020 looks to be the 2nd best class, probably good or better.

So we have one really good class, one class that looks good, one class that is maybe just above average and one poor class.

If you want to go back to 2016 and 2015, you going to see some busts. Poor draft classes, aside from Bud Dupree who is no longer here.

Colbert rebounded in 2019 and 2020, but needs a good draft class this year

[Joel Buchsbaum]

He is the 3rd best safety in that draft class behind only Fitzpatrick and Jessie Bates. It's taken him some time for the game to slow down for him but he was solid last season. The Steelers could have done a whole lot worse.

I think Reid who is stuck on Houston is better than Edmunds.

[whisper]

Not sure how Edmunds is a reach. He is a solid player who starts on the D.

A reach would have been benched or cut by now.

#1.) Pgh "saves face" to a higher degree than almost any team. (They give players taken high longer rope so as not to admit a mistake.)
#2.) A 1st rounder should do more than just marginally keep a starting job (which is what I feel Edmunds has done, partially due to point #1)
#3.) If Edmunds was taken in the 4th, no one would be bitching about the pick (which is where most analysts had him before the draft.)

[whisper]

just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean he is a temporary fix.

He has started since he was drafted.

A starter...in Pgh, partially because of the "saving face" factor. (Note: The "saving face" factor also means they are slow to draft potential competition.)

[Steel Maniac]

A starter...in Pgh, partially because of the "saving face" factor. (Note: The "saving face" factor also means they are slow to draft potential competition.)

Jarvis Jones.

[whisper]

Nothing your wrote changes anything. Take me out of the equation. Plenty of 3rd party rating systems like PFF don't think highly of Edmunds. He's a give up the completion and tackle type of guy. He makes very few plays on the ball or big hits to force it loose. Is that your type pf safety? He also plays next to one of the best DB's in football and benefits from a great pass rush, yet puts up next to no splash plays in return.

THIS. You got to expect more out of a 1st round pick than just "keeping his starting job" - doing so on a spotty level. What is the guy good at?

[whisper]

Jarvis Jones.

Bingo, exactly my point.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Anything less that the 1974 draft is mediocre at best.

We have standards around here.

The '74 draft was average. There's the benchmark. Grade all others off of that.

[Northern_Blitz]

#1.) Pgh "saves face" to a higher degree than almost any team. (They give players taken high longer rope so as not to admit a mistake.)
#2.) A 1st rounder should do more than just marginally keep a starting job (which is what I feel Edmunds has done, partially due to point #1)
#3.) If Edmunds was taken in the 4th, no one would be bitching about the pick (which is where most analysts had him before the draft.)

I wonder what the hit rate on 1st round picks is and how it changes with the actual draft position (since not all 1st round picks have the same value).

Based on the data NorthCoast presented, Edmunds would have been an absolute steal in the 4th. But lots of people anchored on him being only worth a 4th on draft day. And it's hard to fight confirmation bias.

He probably wasn't worth the pick we used on him. But I think he's closer to an end of the 1st / beginning of the 2nd guy than a 4th.

[whatever]

I’m guessing that most teams probably have a decent amount of draftees still on their roster mainly due to having to fill one with some cheap guys.
But I could be wrong.

[hawaiiansteel]

Jarvis Jones.

wasn't that your boy Colbert who drafted him?