Is the Steelers' Mike Tomlin on a path that could lead to Canton? Sure looks like it

[Captain Lemming]

How do you get it was an "anti-Tomlin storyline" from ? This was your conclusion from a neutral fact.

(I'll be honest, this was the point of my post. I figured it would follow with anti- vs pro- Tomlin posts....)

I think he is agreeing with Dizz who is agreeing with your point here which you used effectively to destroy the anti-Tomlin narrative.

[Northern_Blitz]

I think he is agreeing with Dizz who is agreeing with your point here which you used effectively to destroy the anti-Tomlin narrative.

I think we all know you just can't keep an anti-Tomlin narrative down.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Mike Tomlin is 18-15 without Roethlisberger starting.

The problem with this is that it would lead to the assumption that without a HOF QB, Tomlin is a barely above .500 coach. However, another way to look at it is to say that his record is over .500 with QBs who are not starting caliber NFL QBs. I personally am not one who ties a coach's record to him as a ranking, but the logic here is seriously flawed.

[NorthCoast]

The problem with this is that it would lead to the assumption that without a HOF QB, Tomlin is a barely above .500 coach. However, another way to look at it is to say that his record is over .500 with QBs who are not starting caliber NFL QBs. I personally am not one who ties a coach's record to him as a ranking, but the logic here is seriously flawed.

There was no assumption made in this statement. You made good points. Depends on your bias.

[feltdizz]

The problem with this is that it would lead to the assumption that without a HOF QB, Tomlin is a barely above .500 coach. However, another way to look at it is to say that his record is over .500 with QBs who are not starting caliber NFL QBs. I personally am not one who ties a coach's record to him as a ranking, but the logic here is seriously flawed.

but it would also prove coaches like Billicheat are below .500 without a HOF QB if this was true.

I think what it actually shows is having a head coach with a HOFer QB’s salary still on your cap makes it harder to win consistently in the NFL.

Now, once that salary is removed I think we see more coaches creep over .500 because they have more money to acquire talent at other positions.

[NorthCoast]

I didn’t bring up Billicheat because I thought it was an anti-Tomlin post.

Just putting some perspective on the W-L record.

You might add Andy Reid as well;

23-31 w/o McNabb, A. Smith, M. Vick or Mahomes

[BURGH86STEEL]

It's extremely difficult to win in the NFL consistently without quality play at the QB position. The QB position is the one position that can influence all 3 phases of the game.

Quality QBs are going to command big money. Less than quality QBs can command big money. Be nice if a QB would take a little less than market value for the good of the team. That's not realistic for most individuals.

It will be interesting to see how the Chiefs handle Mahomes contract situation after the 2021 season. His capp numbers jump up significantly after the 2021 season. He counts 3.9% towards the capp in 2021. Jumps to 17.1% in 2022.

[NJ-STEELER]

The problem with this is that it would lead to the assumption that without a HOF QB, Tomlin is a barely above .500 coach. However, another way to look at it is to say that his record is over .500 with QBs who are not starting caliber NFL QBs. I personally am not one who ties a coach's record to him as a ranking, but the logic here is seriously flawed.

leftwich and batch started many games before becoming back ups with the steelers.

so did vick, but i wouldn't include him on there with the long layoff being out of the league

cassel didnt start any before playing the whole year when brady was injured

[Northern_Blitz]

It's extremely difficult to win in the NFL consistently without quality play at the QB position. The QB position is the one position that can influence all 3 phases of the game.

Quality QBs are going to command big money. Less than quality QBs can command big money. Be nice if a QB would take a little less than market value for the good of the team. That's not realistic for most individuals.

It will be interesting to see how the Chiefs handle Mahomes contract situation after the 2021 season. His capp numbers jump up significantly after the 2021 season. He counts 3.9% towards the capp in 2021. Jumps to 17.1% in 2022.

His contract is so long, my guess is that they b keep kicking the can. Convert s bunch of money to SB and prorate it for 5 years.

It worked for us until Ben's deal got so short that the money we pushed was huge.

[Northern_Blitz]

leftwich and batch started many games before becoming back ups with the steelers.

so did vick, but i wouldn't include him on there with the long layoff being out of the league

cassel didnt start any before playing the whole year when brady was injured

And Newton used to be a league MVP. But he wasn't good last year.

And Ben will be in the HoF. But he wasn't good last year, or at least on the back 9.

Leftwitch and Batch (and Newton) were cast off because they weren't starting caliber QBs anymore. Not as dramatically as Haskins, but they were past their primes. Probably pretty good journeymen. Like Fitzmagic.

[feltdizz]

And Newton used to be a league MVP. But he wasn't good last year.

And Ben will be in the HoF. But he wasn't good last year, or at least on the back 9.

Leftwitch and Batch (and Newton) were cast off because they weren't starting caliber QBs anymore. Not as dramatically as Haskins, but they were past their primes. Probably pretty good journeymen. Like Fitzmagic.

Cam was playing well before Covid. He must have had lingering symptoms because he came back and forgot how to throw the ball.

Never seen him play that bad or miss on so many wide open throws.

Go back and watch the highlights vs Seattle and then look at him after covid. Totally different player.

[Northern_Blitz]

Cam was playing well before Covid. He must have had lingering symptoms because he came back and forgot how to throw the ball.

Never seen him play that bad or miss on so many wide open throws.

Go back and watch the highlights vs Seattle and then look at him after covid. Totally different player.

I'm sure there are reasons, but the bottom line is that he was bad (maybe very bad).