Is the Steelers' Mike Tomlin on a path that could lead to Canton? Sure looks like it

[Captain Lemming]

I just got a link:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/11/18/sports/sports-breaking/chaminade-over-virginia-remembering-college-hoops-greatest-upset/

I actually heard him tell the story on the radio. It is way better when you hear him tell it.

[hawaiiansteel]

I just got a link:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/11/18/sports/sports-breaking/chaminade-over-virginia-remembering-college-hoops-greatest-upset/

I actually heard him tell the story on the radio. It is way better when you hear him tell it.

thanks for that link Cap, I had never heard that story.

great stuff, I'm gonna tell my friends including a couple Chaminade grads about it.

[NJ-STEELER]

Dude was in Hawaii for the Aloha bowl. He was in the same hotel as Virginia team

He heard Ralph Sampson hacking all night sick. Because of that he had a feeling Chamanade just might have a chance as he had heard Chamadade was pretty good for a lower division team. Could this NAIA team beat the number one team in the country?

He goes to the game and is THE ONLY NATIONAL REPORTER at the game. Chamadade is up at half.

Wilbon starts calling his paper telling them to hold the presses as he was gonna have the only report of this HUGE upset on the mainland that day.

But timing is tough because the game was late in Hawaii.

Wilbon is writing the article about a huge upset BEFORE it happened. The paper is making him call with updates.

Virginia took a late lead and the paper went to print.

Wilbon is to this day frustrated that he missed an exclusive on the biggest upset in sports history.

he should have been calling his bookie


and PS. it isn't just a older near 40 big ben that posters suddenly wanted to get rid of him.
both here and other boards

[hawaiiansteel]

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by Adam Rank

Head coach: Mike Tomlin. Is there any way to retroactively give Tomlin an award for all of the great work he's done over the past decade? I kind of bring this up because Le'Veon Bell recently said he would never play for Andy Reid again. Which comes off a lot like the kid at the birthday party who doesn't like ice cream cake. As in, I'm sure you're not the only one, but it is still surprising to hear it. And to think, Tomlin somehow managed to win games with Bell, Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberger on the roster at the same time? I don't know. It's like reading about the manager of Mötley Crüe in The Dirt and wondering how he was able to keep that band together long enough to produce so many legendary hits. It's staggering.

What I guess I'm trying to say is that I'm sorry if I've underestimated you over the years, coach. You've done an amazing job. And it feels like you need to go back to the well once again in 2021. The front office has worked hard to put together a pretty decent roster, and the Steelers still have talent, but the franchise lost some big names to free agency and retirement. So they are going to need some more of that Tomlin magic.

https://www.nfl.com/news/state-of-the-2021-pittsburgh-steelers-does-ben-roethlisberger-have-one-last-supe

[NorthCoast]

Mike Tomlin is 18-15 without Roethlisberger starting.

[Northern_Blitz]

Mike Tomlin is 18-15 without Roethlisberger starting.

If that rate held, it would be:

- 8.7 wins in a 16 game season; and
- 9.2 over 17 games.

Obviously a pretty small sample though. Who knows.

Hopefully our next QB will be better than the QBs that make up that record. The ones I think would be on the list would be Mason, Batch, and Leftwich. Did L.Jones start a game or two? Probably...

[feltdizz]

Mike Tomlin is 18-15 without Roethlisberger starting.

Billicheat is 23-25 without Brady in NE.

Thing is, its hard to put stock in these records because half of them are probably the last game of the season when seeding was locked up and you sit a bunch of starters.

I still think 2019 and the first 4 games when Ben was suspended gave us a window into how the team performs without Ben.

I actually think the year Ben was suspended gives us the best view of life without Ben. We had the offseason to prepare and game plan for those first 4 games.

[feltdizz]

If that rate held, it would be:

- 8.7 wins in a 16 game season; and
- 9.2 over 17 games.

Obviously a pretty small sample though. Who knows.

Hopefully our next QB will be better than the QBs that make up that record. The ones I think would be on the list would be Mason, Batch, and Leftwich. Did L.Jones start a game or two? Probably...

Duck
Dennis Dixon
Michael Vick

they all started games for us. It wasn’t always pretty but we were in all the games they played and we were never blown out from what I remember.

[NorthCoast]

If that rate held, it would be:

- 8.7 wins in a 16 game season; and
- 9.2 over 17 games.

Obviously a pretty small sample though. Who knows.

Hopefully our next QB will be better than the QBs that make up that record. The ones I think would be on the list would be Mason, Batch, and Leftwich. Did L.Jones start a game or two? Probably...

So it seems Roethlisberger is worth another 2 or 3 wins a season.

Duck
Dennis Dixon
Michael Vick

they all started games for us. It wasn’t always pretty but we were in all the games they played and we were never blown out from what I remember.

0.500 ball with those QBs ain't bad at all. But also have to consider it was the defense that was playing their nuts off in many of those games.

[Oviedo]

Billicheat is 23-25 without Brady in NE.

Thing is, its hard to put stock in these records because half of them are probably the last game of the season when seeding was locked up and you sit a bunch of starters.

I still think 2019 and the first 4 games when Ben was suspended gave us a window into how the team performs without Ben.

I actually think the year Ben was suspended gives us the best view of life without Ben. We had the offseason to prepare and game plan for those first 4 games.

Damn...one post with facts and you shutdown that anti-Tomlin storyline...well done!!!

[NorthCoast]

Damn...one post with facts and you shutdown that anti-Tomlin storyline...well done!!!

How do you get it was an "anti-Tomlin storyline" from

Mike Tomlin is 18-15 without Roethlisberger starting

? This was your conclusion from a neutral fact.

(I'll be honest, this was the point of my post. I figured it would follow with anti- vs pro- Tomlin posts....)

[Northern_Blitz]

Billicheat is 23-25 without Brady in NE.

Thing is, its hard to put stock in these records because half of them are probably the last game of the season when seeding was locked up and you sit a bunch of starters.

I still think 2019 and the first 4 games when Ben was suspended gave us a window into how the team performs without Ben.

I actually think the year Ben was suspended gives us the best view of life without Ben. We had the offseason to prepare and game plan for those first 4 games.

Thanks.

This one is the comparison I was wondering about.

My guess is that those records are about the same and the small sample size makes it tough to tell the difference.

And it's interesting because prime Matt Cassel (who accounts for 10 of BB's wins without Brady) was probably better than the best of the back ups we had.

Cam is obviously the biggest name, but he clearly wasn't close to the best version of himself last season. And they were gutted by the covid opt outs. Although I wonder if they were maybe they were opting out of the "Patriot way" after Brady wasn't there to hold it up...we'll see.

Although who knows, maybe post-prime Leftwitch or Batch was better than Cassel?

I think your point about the Mason / Duck year not being an example of what we'll be without Ben is interesting. I think that Fitchner was over his head as an OC, but it didn't matter as much with Ben running the O. And then he wasn't able to do the difficult job of evolving the offense on the fly (without off season / camp) when Ben went down.

Hopefully Canada (or whoever is OC after Ben leaves) is able to build an offense around whoever the new QB is.

[feltdizz]

How do you get it was an "anti-Tomlin storyline" from ? This was your conclusion from a neutral fact.

(I'll be honest, this was the point of my post. I figured it would follow with anti- vs pro- Tomlin posts....)

I didn’t bring up Billicheat because I thought it was an anti-Tomlin post.

Just putting some perspective on the W-L record.

[feltdizz]

Thanks.

This one is the comparison I was wondering about.

My guess is that those records are about the same and the small sample size makes it tough to tell the difference.

And it's interesting because prime Matt Cassel (who accounts for 10 of BB's wins without Brady) was probably better than the best of the back ups we had.

Cam is obviously the biggest name, but he clearly wasn't close to the best version of himself last season. And they were gutted by the covid opt outs. Although I wonder if they were maybe they were opting out of the "Patriot way" after Brady wasn't there to hold it up...we'll see.

Although who knows, maybe post-prime Leftwitch or Batch was better than Cassel?

I think your point about the Mason / Duck year not being an example of what we'll be without Ben is interesting. I think that Fitchner was over his head as an OC, but it didn't matter as much with Ben running the O. And then he wasn't able to do the difficult job of evolving the offense on the fly (without off season / camp) when Ben went down.

Hopefully Canada (or whoever is OC after Ben leaves) is able to build an offense around whoever the new QB is.

I think its much easier to prepare a QB when you have the whole off season vs an injury replacement during the season.

Of course, in season injury replacement highlights how a coach adapts on the fly.

People think it will be dog days once Ben leaves but I think we will still field competitive teams.

[Northern_Blitz]

I think its much easier to prepare a QB when you have the whole off season vs an injury replacement during the season.

Of course, in season injury replacement highlights how a coach adapts on the fly.

People think it will be dog days once Ben leaves but I think we will still field competitive teams.

I agree re: preparation.

Obviously, the future strongly depends on how we do with the next QB. Odds are we miss at least once. But if we hit on a cheap QB, then we can be really good with a bunch of extra cap space.