Tomlin

[hawaiiansteel]

how did he set them back years?

what examples has SM provided?

and how is Shula regarded by Miami fans? Does anyone say Shula ruined that franchise?

I think what Steel Maniac is saying in his sig is that we better not get rid of Mike Tomlin or we will never win another Super again just like the Dolphins haven't after Don Shula left.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

This is 100% correct, if winning a Superbowl was as simple as just getting a good coach then teams would be throwing big money at coaches and they wouldnt waste time scouting and worrying about the draft so much.

Winning a super bowl? How about winning a playoff game which hasn't happened in ver 5 years.

When I read quotes about Cowher or Noll, some of their players give them tons of credit. I see nothing of the sort for Tomlin. Did Ward, Polmalu, Faneca, or Ben really ever say what makes Tomlin such a good coach? Any Reid get such accolades from his players.

[Mr.wizard]

Winning a super bowl? Hw about wining a playoff game which hasn't;t happened in ver 5 years.

When I read quotes about Cowher or Noll, some of their players give them tons of credit. I see nothing of the sort for Tomlin. Did Ward, Polmalu, Faneca, or Ben really ever say what makes Tomlin such a good coach? Any Reid get such accolades from his players.

Even winning a playoff game, this is simply not done by changing coaches, winning a playoff game comes down execution by the players, the fact the team has a winning record and has won the division and has made the playoffs is a testament to good coaching. It's not like the players suddenly become blank slates once the playoff start and they need some special insight from the coach to know how to beat their opponent.

[feltdizz]

Winning a super bowl? Hw about wining a playoff game which hasn't;t happened in ver 5 years.

When I read quotes about Cowher or Noll, some of their players give them tons of credit. I see nothing of the sort for Tomlin. Did Ward, Polmalu, Faneca, or Ben really ever say what makes Tomlin such a good coach? Any Reid get such accolades from his players.

players give Tomlin compliments and talk highly of him all the time.

I agree 5 years is a long time.. its hard to win playoff games when the offense.

You think Ben would continue playing if he really didn’t think Tomlin was a good coach? Also, look up Ben’s stats the last 2 playoff games. Turnovers are hard to overcome

[Mr.wizard]

players give Tomlin compliments and talk highly of him all the time.

I agree 5 years is a long time.. its hard to win playoff games when the offense.

You think Ben would continue playing if he really didn’t think Tomlin was a good coach? Also, look up Ben’s stats the last 2 playoff games. Turnovers are hard to overcome

The players love Tomlin, you really have to go out of your way to not hear anything about Tomlin being a good coach coming from the players.

[hawaiiansteel]

Even winning a playoff game, this is simply not done by changing coaches

Steel Maniac says exactly that in his sig.

once the Dolphins switched coaches from Don Shula they haven't won squat.

we better not switch from Tomlin or the same thing will happen to us.

[feltdizz]

A team can be prepared. When they make mistakes in EXECUTION that's on the players. Players get paid to execute.

Regardless of what ever else happened the turn overs decided the outcome of the game. The usually do. The %s don't lie in that regard. It's been proven over and over again. That's why coaches preach taking care of the football is paramount to winning football games.

Look when you coach in the league as long as Tomlin you don't believe you will breeze by anyone. I know this as a fan. I know there are no easy wins in the NFL.

Don't project what you probably thought as an easy win onto Tomlin or the Steelers.

Sitting players is a way of resting banged up players from a long season. Some teams that rested players had success. Some teams that rested players didn't have success or visa versa. There really isn't a wrong or right formula in regard to resting players. It's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of knowing your players and team.

The Chiefs had a bye week and made the Superbowl. The 2017 Pats had a bye week and eventually loss the Superbowl. I am sure I can point to other teams that rested players. I don't know man. Coaches make the best decisions they can. I certainly wouldn't fault a coach for resting veteran players who might need it.

I believe veteran players know they need to take the opposition seriously.

I think you hit the nail on the head regarding fans taking teams lightly and projecting that onto players.

Same thing with the Jags in 2018. For some reason fans thought the same Jag team we lost to at home in the regular season would be an easy win the playoffs.

[Captain Lemming]

Winning a super bowl? Hw about wining a playoff game which hasn't;t happened in ver 5 years.

When I read quotes about Cowher or Noll, some of their players give them tons of credit. I see nothing of the sort for Tomlin. Did Ward, Polmalu, Faneca, or Ben really ever say what makes Tomlin such a good coach? Any Reid get such accolades from his players.

Ike Taylor:

steelersdepot.com/2020
Ike-taylor-says-mike-tomlins-been-flying-under-the-radar-for-years-and-its-about-time-media-gives-him-his-due/

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/11/ike-taylor-says-mike-tomlins-been-flying-under-the-radar-for-years-and-its-about-time-media-gives-him-his-due/

Mike Wallace:
Coach Tomlin was the best coach I ever had at any level. The most real coach, genuine coach.

https://www.steelers.com/news/nothing-compares-to-playing-for-the-steelers

DHB-
Tomlin is the best coach I've ever had

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/04/dhb-on-playing-for-mike-tomlin-hes-the-best-coach-ive-ever-had/

Hines Ward you say?
Yes, he has been honest in criticism of Tomlin, as was I when he temporarily seemed to losing the team.

But what is Wards overall opinion of Tomlin? His experience with Tomlin as coach?

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/02/Hines-ward-mike-tomlin-loved-playing for him

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/02/hines-ward-mike-tomlin-loved-playing/

Troy called Tomlin a HALL OF FAME coach

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/10/troy-polamalu-calls-it-a-blessing-to-watch-the-development-of-another-hall-of-fame-coach-in-mike-tomlin/

Lawrence Timmons says:
"(Tomlin is) the best ever," Timmons told Chris Adamski of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "I stand by him and endorse him, I feel like he’s the premier NFL coach."

Bens reaction to Tomlins extension:
Ben Roethlisberger says Steelers coach 'will go down as one of the greats'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mike-tomlin-extension-ben-roethlisberger-says-steelers-coach-will-go-down-as-one-of-the-greats/

[Mr.wizard]

Ike Taylor:

steelersdepot.com/2020
Ike-taylor-says-mike-tomlins-been-flying-under-the-radar-for-years-and-its-about-time-media-gives-him-his-due/

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/11/ike-taylor-says-mike-tomlins-been-flying-under-the-radar-for-years-and-its-about-time-media-gives-him-his-due/

Mike Wallace:
Coach Tomlin was the best coach I ever had at any level. The most real coach, genuine coach.

https://www.steelers.com/news/nothing-compares-to-playing-for-the-steelers

DHB-
Tomlin is the best coach I've ever had

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/04/dhb-on-playing-for-mike-tomlin-hes-the-best-coach-ive-ever-had/

Hines Ward you say?
Yes, he has been honest in criticism of Tomlin, as was I when he temporarily seemed to losing the team.

But what is Wards overall opinion of Tomlin? His experience with Tomlin as coach?

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/02/Hines-ward-mike-tomlin-loved-playing for him

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/02/hines-ward-mike-tomlin-loved-playing/

Troy called Tomlin a HALL OF FAME coach

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/10/troy-polamalu-calls-it-a-blessing-to-watch-the-development-of-another-hall-of-fame-coach-in-mike-tomlin/

Lawrence Timmons says:
"(Tomlin is) the best ever," Timmons told Chris Adamski of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "I stand by him and endorse him, I feel like he’s the premier NFL coach."

Bens reaction to Tomlins extension:
Ben Roethlisberger says Steelers coach 'will go down as one of the greats'
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/m...of-the-greats/

Well I think these quotes are clearly manufactured by Hilary Clinton and the deep state. Just another example of Tomlin injecting his politics into the lockerroom.

[Eich]

Also, following XLIII, Polamalu gave very clear credit to Tomlin for the greatest defensive play in super bowl history.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Even winning a playoff game, this is simply not done by changing coaches, winning a playoff game comes down execution by the players, the fact the team has a winning record and has won the division and has made the playoffs is a testament to good coaching. It's not like the players suddenly become blank slates once the playoff start and they need some special insight from the coach to know how to beat their opponent.

You are talking bunk. " The fact the team has a winning record and has won the division and has made the playoffs is a testament to good coaching you say? " Okay why not the same from winning playoff games! See how quickly your point falls apart? When we play the better AFC teams in the playoffs, we are but 3-6 in the last 9 tries. 3-7 if you include the NFC. This is underachieving, not giving your team the edge in coaching. Tomlin can blame the OC he hires then fires. What does that tell you?

Look the Steelers have the advantage on fielding the better team more often that not, so these losses point to the Steelers in ability to prepare and beat the teams they should. That's on Tomlin. Sure 2 of these 3 playoff wins are at home vs, back up QB's. A gift. If you take out the back up playoff QB's beaten, Tomlin has just 1 win in his last of 10 tries. Harsh facts, but also true.

Just tell me the coaching edge he brings to the team. I'll be listening.

[feltdizz]

“if you take away the wins all Tomlin has is losses” - Joel B

[Mr.wizard]

You are talking bunk. " The fact the team has a winning record and has won the division and has made the playoffs is a testament to good coaching you say? " Okay why not the same from winning playoff games! See how quickly your point falls apart? When we play the better AFC teams in the playoffs, we are but 3-6 in the last 9 tries. 3-7 if you include the NFC. This is underachieving, not giving your team the edge in coaching. Tomlin can blame the OC he hires then fires. What does that tell you?

Look the Steelers have the advantage on fielding the better team more often that not, so these losses point to the Steelers in ability to prepare and beat the teams they should. That's on Tomlin. Sure 2 of these 3 playoff wins are at home vs, back up QB's. A gift. If you take out the back up playoff QB's beaten, Tomlin has just 1 win in his last of 10 tries. Harsh facts, but also true.

Just tell me the coaching edge he brings to the team. I'll be listening.

The fact that a team is a winning team already over the course of a season is a testament to the coaching, just because they lose a game in a single elimination tourney doesnt mean the coaching suddenly went bad. Just like if the team went 6-10 and made the playoffs and managed to win a playoff game, I wouldnt chalk that up to great coaching.

[Mr.wizard]

“if you take away the wins all Tomlin has is losses” - Joel B

Lol this basically the argument he is making.

[BURGH86STEEL]

You are talking bunk. " The fact the team has a winning record and has won the division and has made the playoffs is a testament to good coaching you say? " Okay why not the same from winning playoff games! See how quickly your point falls apart? When we play the better AFC teams in the playoffs, we are but 3-6 in the last 9 tries. 3-7 if you include the NFC. This is underachieving, not giving your team the edge in coaching. Tomlin can blame the OC he hires then fires. What does that tell you?

Look the Steelers have the advantage on fielding the better team more often that not, so these losses point to the Steelers in ability to prepare and beat the teams they should. That's on Tomlin. Sure 2 of these 3 playoff wins are at home vs, back up QB's. A gift. If you take out the back up playoff QB's beaten, Tomlin has just 1 win in his last of 10 tries. Harsh facts, but also true.

Just tell me the coaching edge he brings to the team. I'll be listening.

Blaming everything on coaching without factoring in player performance is an unfair bias. This is the world in which your mind lives.