Heart and Steel - book by Bill Cowher

[feltdizz]

I think this is an interesting point.

BC and MT are both good motivators / big picture guys as HCs. But not really elite Xs and Os guys.

I think they both need good coordinators to be successful. And they both had enough control of their ego to work with good coordinators and put good teams on the field.

My guess is that's a somewhat rare thing in elite professions like NFL coaching.

I know success raises the expectations of fans but I think our success these last 40 years is proof the Rooneys know what the hell they are doing.

Sure, we don’t have 12 trophies in the case with Ben and its all Tomlin’s fault but the reality is success is NOT measured by SB’s alone.

[whatever]

Much better coach than Tomlin. Built his winning team.
I might read it.

[feltdizz]

Much better coach than Tomlin. Built his winning team.
I might read it.

built his teams with clay and mud, with his cold hard hands..

like a sculptor.

[hawaiiansteel]

Do like I did and just put it in your sig

[flippy]

Lol

What would Tomlin have done differently with Kordell? Please define. Watch this space, your unable to.

No--Kordell's 4 turnovers sunk the Steelers. The Kordrell experiment was Rooney's was too cheap too cheap to even come close to the matching the Jets offer, silly man, letting Rood Woodson, Kevin Greene, and Neil' O'Donnell go. Cowher had to coach around this and Play Kordell at QB? No easy task.

Chan did a decent job with Kordell and Cowher tried to change him and it was a beautiful disaster.

I really don’t think Tomlin possibly could have handled him worse.

Either way, it was entertaining and frustrating all rolled into one. Kordell was as fun to watch and frustrating like Ben a lot of times.

[feltdizz]

Chan did a decent job with Kordell and Cowher tried to change him and it was a beautiful disaster.

I really don’t think Tomlin possibly could have handled him worse.

Either way, it was entertaining and frustrating all rolled into one. Kordell was as fun to watch and frustrating like Ben a lot of times.

and this was the problem with coaches and mobile QB’s. They would always try and force a mobile QB to be a pocket passer.

You saw the mans tape in college, why the hell are you trying to force him to be what he isn’t? Just use what works and move one once it stops.

[Mr.wizard]

Leadership. X Steelers rip him and rightly so.

Culture? Culture of what? Losing in the playoffs?

Adaptability? Please define? I've seen too many losses to inferior team, the inability to play well on the west coast, and late or no changes in the game plan when we need one. Were we adaptable last year with all these short passes?

Preparation? We don't look like a prepared team often enough.

Just because your typing in words that you can't define doesn't make them true.

Leadership, X steelers and current Steelers as well as the organization praise him.

Culture of winning, you dont go 15 years without a losing season unless you have a strong winning culture.

Adapts his teams to the fast changing nfl game, players change frequently so do coordinators and yet he still produces winning seasons.

Preperation again you dont win in the nfl for 15 years without being able to prepare and gameplan and if you think you can then you are dumber than you sound.

[feltdizz]

Leadership, X steelers and current Steelers as well as the organization praise him.

Culture of winning, you dont go 15 years without a losing season unless you have a strong winning culture.

Adapts his teams to the fast changing nfl game, players change frequently so do coordinators and yet he still produces winning seasons.

Preperation again you dont win in the nfl for 15 years without being able to prepare and gameplan and if you think you can then you are dumber than you sound.

the problem is some folks only care about SB’s and championship games.

recent history on the playoffs have been frustrating but I think expectations are always high because of the name on the helmet.

I want to win playoff games and SB’s too but I don’t think Tomlin is holding us back. Untimely injuries and turning the ball over are the 2 biggest contributors to our recent failures these last 2 trips.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

unfortunately they don't, and that's what is so annoying.

even after being proven to be incorrect, the same false narratives and arguments continue to be repeated over and over and over again.

that's presidential!

[Captain Lemming]

Lol

What would Tomlin have done differently with Kordell? Please define. Watch this space, your unable to.

No--Kordell's 4 turnovers sunk the Steelers. The Kordrell experiment was Rooney's was too cheap too cheap to even come close to the matching the Jets offer, silly man, letting Rood Woodson, Kevin Greene, and Neil' O'Donnell go. Cowher had to coach around this and Play Kordell at QB? No easy task.

Cowher loved him some Kordell. Don't act like he had no choice. IN HIS BOOK he still calls the Kordell lead 97 team his best team. Either the man under values QB, or that is straight shade at Ben who he NEVER WANTED in the first place.

[Captain Lemming]

Leadership. X Steelers rip him and rightly so.

You mean like Bradshaw and Bettis who NEVER PLAYED for Tomlin?

Disgruntled Harrison who gave the scathing comment that Tomlin ain't as good as the GOAT BB? Oh that is shocking.

Where are all these ex-players who hate on Tomlin?

I gave you a PAGE FULL of links of ex- Steelers who PRAISED Tomlin, when you claimed NOBODY did.

You see what you want to see Joel. Just like you "see" people starting who have never ever started an NFL game.

[Northern_Blitz]

Cowher loved him some Kordell. Don't act like he had no choice. IN HIS BOOK he still calls the Kordell lead 97 team his best team. Either the man under values QB, or that is straight shade at Ben who he NEVER WANTED in the first place.

His '92 team was also 11-5...but lost in the divisional. Probably because that roster was full of bums drafted by Noll

If only Cowher had 15 years of teams full of "Cowher's players". He would have won way more SBs than Tomlin that way...wait...he did have 15 years of teams full of Cowher's players...except maybe Woodson, Lloyd, Dawson, Lake....Noll's players.

Again. It's pretty easy to make the case that all 3 of the last 3 Steelers coaches were very good. Although I don't think it's fair to compare Noll to the others because he was pre-free agency.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

You mean like Bradshaw and Bettis who NEVER PLAYED for Tomlin?

Disgruntled Harrison who gave the scathing comment that Tomlin ain't as good as the GOAT BB? Oh that is shocking.

Where are all these ex-players who hate on Tomlin?

I gave you a PAGE FULL of links of ex- Steelers who PRAISED Tomlin, when you claimed NOBODY did.

You see what you want to see Joel. Just like you "see" people starting who have never ever started an NFL game.

Oh Boy, I'll spare you what Rocky and others have said. In the mean time Max Starks, said Tomlin ran his team into the ground and blamed that playoff loss vs the Jaguars on Tomlin. Did you catch that Lemming? Starks was a current player ripping his coach. Or will you forget it? It's rare to see a current player rip his head coach. There is your example But forget that Lemming the minority owners ( unnamed ) want him out. Are you aware of that? Care to acknowledge it?

I never named people in this thread, you did, I just put in more content for you. Yes-- X player and X steelers did in fact rip him. I just showed you.

I'll bet Tomlin either fails to win a playoff game this season ( since 2016...Along ) or remains .500 in the playoffs. Read carefully. Odds are way in my favor, but if you wish I will offer you a bet and earn sucker money. That's what I see.

He might go below .500 in the playoffs. Some coach, and the all the best ones are .500 or below in the playoffs, right?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

His '92 team was also 11-5...but lost in the divisional. Probably because that roster was full of bums drafted by Noll

If only Cowher had 15 years of teams full of "Cowher's players". He would have won way more SBs than Tomlin that way...wait...he did have 15 years of teams full of Cowher's players...except maybe Woodson, Lloyd, Dawson, Lake....Noll's players.

Again. It's pretty easy to make the case that all 3 of the last 3 Steelers coaches were very good. Although I don't think it's fair to compare Noll to the others because he was pre-free agency.

Um, it is not easy to replace Noll. And when Cowher did he injected what Noll lacked. Energy and enthusiasm. The team improved. Cowher put his own stamp on it. Didn't Rooney lose Woodson in free agency one offer best ever players? I recall the Steelers picked the wrong player when they had to make a call between Chat Brown and an aging Greg Lloyd. The GM wasn't as good, and Rooney was cheap at least until Heinz field was built and funded in 2001.

Noll took over a loser. Not sure how you can make a case against him. Woodson, Lloyd, Dawson, Lake. yeah, their prime was in the 80's and these guys didn't stick around for long in the Cowher era. Besides I'm talking about 21 or 22 starters from Cowher winning Tomlin's super bowl. His players. Apples to apples here, how many players did Tomlin draft that started from him in his? Just one.

That's what I call winning with another coaches players. You might have been able to do it. Hey, it worked just fine for Barry Switzter.

[feltdizz]

lmao.. look what I found!!! Looks like Joel has been trolling for years using the same name and same schtick.

Damn, you troll hard Joel.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Board/103198/Contents/Starks-on-Tomlins-first-year-among-other-things-71794353/

all I did was look for the Starks quote you keep mentioning and this popped up.

You also said the Raw WWE appearance could’ve led to an injury when all they did was stand in the ring while Ben hyped up the crowd. lmao