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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26629

    btw, I'm not anti-Cowher. Going back to the trib days I'm on record as grieving once he moved on because I didn't think the Steelers could strike lightning twice. Fortunately they did when Tomlin was hired. After Tomlin moves on I don't know if lighting can strike three times. Kinda reminds me of this video:

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    • Northern_Blitz
      Legend
      • Dec 2008
      • 24358

      Originally posted by crushedspirit
      Coach Cowher knew how to utilize Ben, and how to try and limit his errors. Even in his first playoff game, Ben was bad, yet they won in OT. The next year, on their magical run, Ben was a play action game manager, and excelled at it. He was especially deadly in the wins against Cin and Den. He was okay in the Indy game, but really bad against Seattle in the SB. There's a reason why Ben was 5-1 with coach Bill, and 8-8 since, and it's to the point you make. To me, he will always be at his best as a play action QB who had a knack for big plays when he scrambled to buy more time. Father time has taken away that away.
      You have that luxury when a QB takes up ~ 2% of your cap hit.

      The QB has to be the centerpiece of your offence when it takes up 10% - 12% of your offense.

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 24358

        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        btw, I'm not anti-Cowher. Going back to the trib days I'm on record as grieving once he moved on because I didn't think the Steelers could strike lightning twice. Fortunately they did when Tomlin was hired. After Tomlin moves on I don't know if lighting can strike three times. Kinda reminds me of this video:
        Cowher was an excellent coach.

        And his career is essentially the same as Tomlin's.

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 35638

          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
          Cowher was an excellent coach.

          And his career is essentially the same as Tomlin's.
          agreed

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          • NJ-STEELER
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 12563

            Originally posted by feltdizz
            I never put all the blame on Ben. I said the timing of the drops seemed to happen at once which to me suggested Ben and the WR’s weren’t practicing.

            and what do you know??? Literally 2 or 3 days later Fitchner suggested the same exact thing.

            its called not throwing his young WR corps under the bus and sinking their confidence.

            as professionals. dropping the balls they did is simply inexcusable. even ur boiiii agreed and benched johnson and some more drops

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            • NJ-STEELER
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 12563

              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
              So you don't blame Ben for the picks, but you blame Tomlin for everything?

              Because the always in the probowl center and the hof QB who have both played for more than a decade weren't prepared? Is it ever the players fault?

              This is what I was referring to as the "Tomlin didn't sprinkle enough pixie dust on them" argument.

              Yes the D sucked too. But how demoralized do you think they were?

              They should have rose to the challenge better than they did. That would have made the game closer.

              But after the worst offensive quarter in the history of the playoffs, the game was over anyway.

              And Ben has sucked in playoff games when not down by multiple scores for a while. I don't think he can succeed against good defenses that play tight coverage anymore.

              Do you think he has a good second half if the game is closer and the Browns are playing tighter?
              Remember he thew another pick when we had a chance to get within 8 with a TD and 2 point conversion.

              Like the Jags game, we were brutal on O whenever it was within 2 scores.

              I hope I'm wrong and he pulls a P Manning this year, but I don't think Ben has it anymore.
              did i defend the first INT?

              I defended the INT that went right thru DJs hands (something we saw all year unfortunately)

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              • NJ-STEELER
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 12563

                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                So you don't blame Ben for the picks, but you blame Tomlin for everything?

                Because the always in the probowl center and the hof QB who have both played for more than a decade weren't prepared? Is it ever the players fault?

                This is what I was referring to as the "Tomlin didn't sprinkle enough pixie dust on them" argument.

                Yes the D sucked too. But how demoralized do you think they were?

                They should have rose to the challenge better than they did. That would have made the game closer.

                But after the worst offensive quarter in the history of the playoffs, the game was over anyway.

                And Ben has sucked in playoff games when not down by multiple scores for a while. I don't think he can succeed against good defenses that play tight coverage anymore.

                Do you think he has a good second half if the game is closer and the Browns are playing tighter?
                Remember he thew another pick when we had a chance to get within 8 with a TD and 2 point conversion.

                Like the Jags game, we were brutal on O whenever it was within 2 scores.

                I hope I'm wrong and he pulls a P Manning this year, but I don't think Ben has it anymore.

                arthur moats disagrees with you

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-StrjUMCKGw&t=844s

                so does the new OC. on his youtube after the contract reneg.

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                • hawaiiansteel
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 35638

                  Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                  arthur moats disagrees with you

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-StrjUMCKGw&t=844s

                  so does the new OC. on his youtube after the contract reneg.
                  so you have been on this message board for almost 13 years now and you still don't know how to embed a vid?

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27493

                    Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                    its called not throwing his young WR corps under the bus and sinking their confidence.

                    as professionals. dropping the balls they did is simply inexcusable. even ur boiiii agreed and benched johnson and some more drops
                    my boiiiiiieeee bluuuue

                    DJ kept dropping passes but no one else did.

                    Practice!!!
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • NJ-STEELER
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 12563

                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                      I don't think the Pats game was on Ben. The Pats were just the better team and we were decimated by injuries IIRC.

                      Your description of the game against the Jags includes 3 turnovers in the drives you outlined. The offense was bad against a very good defense. I guess it's good that Ben played better than he did in the regular season game? Fans underestimated how good the Jags were. Which I think is crazy after they owned us in the regular season game. Too many were in the "oh, Ben just has the odd horrible game every year. It's us not them. Not a big deal." camp. That defense was special. And we needed to get a lead and not turn the ball over early. The O (where we spent so much cap room that year) needed to carry the D (after losing it's only real play maker). And they failed.

                      Let me give you some super deep football analysis about the Browns game. It's almost impossible to win a game when you're -5 in the turnover ratio. I know that it's a ground breaking idea. So when your QB has 4 interceptions, it's his fault you lost. That's the reason he gets paid the big bucks. Because he's the person most responsible for success and failure on the team. And you team will lose when / if he ****s the bed.
                      the jags offense produced a whole 10 points the week before at home vs. a buffalo defense that didn't sport half the amount of talent/ pedigree the steelers have invested in this defense.

                      it also might have helped, after getting demolished by the jags team in the regular season, if the idiot coach didn't come on national TV and give them bulletin board material.


                      nearly every analysts leading up to that game predicted a tight game with the Jags defense being so good and the jags offense being so bad.

                      which side on the steelers exceeded expectations?

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                      • NJ-STEELER
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 12563

                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        my boiiiiiieeee bluuuue

                        DJ kept dropping passes but no one else did.

                        Practice!!!
                        wrong. ebron did but not as many

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                        • NJ-STEELER
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 12563

                          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                          so you have been on this message board for almost 13 years now and you still don't know how to embed a vid?
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbtBKfM7yY4

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                          • NJ-STEELER
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 12563

                            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                            steelhere? that's rich.

                            he hasn't even posted here in over a month.

                            when you have an agenda and a false narrative you'll pretty much say anything, huh?
                            posted plenty of times during the season

                            still didn't see you following him around calling him a troll

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                            • hawaiiansteel
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 35638

                              Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbtBKfM7yY4
                              that's what you came up with?

                              do you want me to tell you how to do it?

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                              • hawaiiansteel
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 35638

                                Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                                posted plenty of times during the season

                                still didn't see you following him around calling him a troll
                                my criteria for calling someone a troll is when they repeat themselves more than 100 times saying the same exact thing over and over again.

                                if your criteria is a lower number, feel free to call anyone whatever the hell you want. I couldn't possibly care less.

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