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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35649

    Big Ben Vows To Help Steelers With $41M Cap Hit

    Big Ben Vows To Help Steelers With $41M Cap Hit

    by Staff Writer January 28, 2021

    PITTSBURGH — Ben Roethlisberger said he’s “pretty sure” he wants to return to the Pittsburgh Steelers for the 2021 season and is willing to do “everything” he can to help the team despite his massive salary-cap hit for 2021.

    With the salary cap decreasing because of a drop in revenue due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Roethlisberger’s $41.2 million cap hit for next season is untenable, a matter Roethlisberger and team president and CEO Art Rooney II seem to agree on.

    “I want to do everything I can and made that very clear to them from the very beginning that it was my idea to basically help the team however I can this year,” Roethlisberger told The Athletic.

    He added: “I am pretty sure I want to go one more year (because) I think I can do it and give us a real chance and winning.”

    Speaking earlier Thursday during his season wrap-up Zoom call, Rooney said the Steelers have left the door open for a Big Ben return contingent on adjustments to his contract being made.

    “I think we’ve been up front with Ben in letting him know that we couldn’t have him back under the current contract,” Rooney said. :I think he understands we have some work to do there. We’ll have more conversations internally, and we’ll have more conversations with Ben, and we’ll have to know what the cap number is to finalize some of those decisions.”

    Roethlisberger also told The Athletic that he doesn’t “care bout my pay at all this year!”

    After the wild-card loss to the Cleveland Browns, Roethlisberger, 38, said he would talk with his family before making a concrete decision to return for 2021 but said he hoped the Steelers would want him back if that’s what he decided to do. But will Rooney and the team give him the opportunity to write his own end to a storied career?

    “With Ben, we owe it to him to have a conversation about how he wants to end his career, and we intend to do that.”

    To achieve cap relief and give Roethlisberger at least one more season to end on his own terms, the Steelers could ask the quarterback to take a pay cut in the final year of his contract. The Steelers have already prorated $22,250,000 of his contract, leaving just $19 million — $4 million in base salary and a $15 million roster bonus — to work with in a pay cut or restructure. The likelier option is an extension and restructure that spreads some of the cap hit into the 2022 season.

    “I think that those are discussions we’ll have with Ben and his representative,” Rooney said of possibilities to massage Roethlisberger’s contract. “It takes two to figure that out, and whether we can agree with what he wants, we’ll just have to see.”

    As it stands now, the Steelers have three quarterbacks on the roster for the 2021 season: Roethlisberger, Mason Rudolph and newly signed Dwayne Haskins. But Rooney acknowledged that they need to add another signal-caller, potentially putting them in the sweepstakes for one of the available big-name quarterbacks if they can configure the cap to be accommodating.

    “I think when you look at our room, we’ll have to add somebody to the room this offseason,” Rooney said. “We’ll look at all the opportunities we have to do that.”

    Determining Roethlisberger’s future is just the first step of many difficult decisions and discussions for the Steelers this offseason.

    General manager Kevin Colbert’s year-to-year contract will be up after the draft, and while Rooney said the two have had many discussions about Colbert’s future, nothing is official.

    “I feel like Kevin is going to come back, but who knows,” Rooney said.

    Coach Mike Tomlin’s contract runs through at least the 2021 season with an option for the 2022 season, and in evaluating his head coach, Rooney said he believes Tomlin will lead the team in the future.

    “We’ll address Mike’s contract with him as time goes on this offseason,” he said. “I’ll just say I feel comfortable in saying he’ll be our coach into the future. … In terms of the job he did, we didn’t finish the way we’d like. The playoff game, it’s hard to analyze … just turning the ball over that way, you’re not going to win many games. I don’t see how you attribute that to coaching preparation. I think the team went into that game prepared.”

    Rooney also said that if it were all up to him, he would go into the 2021 season with the same roster the team had in 2020.

    “If I had my druthers, I’d say if I could have the same roster back over in the next year, I’d do it,” he said. “Obviously, that’s not the case.”

    With the team’s salary-cap situation — the Steelers are estimated to be over by nearly $30 million with 48 players signed, according to ESPN’s Roster Management System — re-signing free agents such as Bud Dupree and JuJu Smith-Schuster will be difficult, if not nearly impossible.

    “It’s fair to say this will be the most difficult salary-cap challenge that we’ve had in a long time, maybe ever,” Rooney said.

    But the first step to figuring out the rest of the roster is to determine Roethlisberger’s future.

    Asked bluntly whether he wants Roethlisberger to return, Rooney paused, then said he wanted him back but offered no guarantees about the quarterback’s future.

    “I think we’d like to see Ben back for another year if that can work,” he said. “But as we said, there’s a lot of work to be done if that can happen; there may need to be decisions on both ends for that to happen.”

  • RichD
    Rookie
    • Dec 2019
    • 46

    #2
    I love Ben and what he`s done for the Steelers. And I remember those awful years after TB retired. But Ben is going to get hurt in that pocket .He is a statue . I can`t remember him at all this year, rolling out of the pocket , buying time and finding a WR downfield . That was what he was known for and it`s gone . Do we really want to see him for another year ?

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    • Flasteel
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 4008

      #3
      I have eternal appreciation for Ben and what he's done for the organization, as well as the enjoyment he's brought to all of us over the past 16 (of 17) years. However, I was ready to move on from him after the playoff loss - particularly because we needed his cap space to field a more competitive team. When I read the quote today that he "doesn't care" about his salary next season, that's all I really needed to hear from him. It sounds like Ben is ready to play for the vet minimum if that is what it takes. If so, I say welcome back for one last ride. In my opinion, he gives us the best chance of any plausible option out there.
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      • SteelBucks
        Legend
        • Aug 2008
        • 8075

        #4
        With a restructure, I’d welcome Ben back. He’s better than anything we got now and it gives the Steelers another season to figure out the future at QB....and no it’s not Rudolph.

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        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 10287

          #5
          There is the traditional restructure and a reduction. There is no way that he was coming back with a hit of $41M so something has to happen.

          As much as it is nice that Ben is willing to help with a traditional restructure, that is only kicking the can down the road. However, if what he says is true and he doesn't care about his pay, then it can be a lot of help.

          For example:

          Tear up this year of his contract and accept no roster bonus, just keep the $4M salary. Then an extension of three years with guaranteed roster bonuses of $2M per year and salaries around $18M per year.

          That gives the team $15M extra room in 2021. It gives a real money outlay reduction of $9M (instead of $19M in 2021, $4M plus $6M in guaranteed roster bonuses). $20M cap hit per year starting next year if he plays. If he retires then $6M remaining against the cap which can be used all in '22 or spread out $2M in '22 and $4M in '23.

          With only a savings of $4M by not accepting this deal, It makes sense to bring Ben back for one last kick at the can. I say this assuming that the team does want him back and still believes that they can win with him.
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          • steeler_george
            Hall of Famer
            • Dec 2008
            • 3417

            #6
            Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
            There is the traditional restructure and a reduction. There is no way that he was coming back with a hit of $41M so something has to happen.

            As much as it is nice that Ben is willing to help with a traditional restructure, that is only kicking the can down the road. However, if what he says is true and he doesn't care about his pay, then it can be a lot of help.

            For example:

            Tear up this year of his contract and accept no roster bonus, just keep the $4M salary. Then an extension of three years with guaranteed roster bonuses of $2M per year and salaries around $18M per year.

            That gives the team $15M extra room in 2021. It gives a real money outlay reduction of $9M (instead of $19M in 2021, $4M plus $6M in guaranteed roster bonuses). $20M cap hit per year starting next year if he plays. If he retires then $6M remaining against the cap which can be used all in '22 or spread out $2M in '22 and $4M in '23.

            With only a savings of $4M by not accepting this deal, It makes sense to bring Ben back for one last kick at the can. I say this assuming that the team does want him back and still believes that they can win with him.
            I am a bit confused, it sounds like you know better....

            I am taking this down from Steelerdepot.

            Let’s start first by looking at Roethlisberger’s current contract situation for 2021:
            2021 $4,000,000 $22,250,000 $15,000,000 $41,250,000 $19,000,000
            Base Salary: $4 million – Roethlisberger’s base salary in 2021 is currently scheduled to be $4 million. If somehow altered via an extension or agreed to pay decrease, the lowest it can go down to is $1.075 million.
            Signing Bonus Proration: $22.25 million – This number cannot be decreased, and it remains in the 2021 year. This is not money due Roethlisberger, however, as it is proration for cap purposes of previous bonuses paid out to him already. Once again, this is not earnings, it’s proration of money previously paid to him and there is no way for the number to go down.
            Roster Bonus: $15 million – Roethlisberger is currently due a $15 million roster bonus on the third day of the 2021 league year in March. Like his base salary, it could be negotiated down or a full or partial portion of it be paid to the quarterback as a signing bonus as part of an extension.
            Cash Flow: As it stands right now, Roethlisberger is scheduled to earn $19 million in 2021, which is the sum of his base salary and roster bonus

            So in reality, if we restructure Ben to a min cap hit in 2021 it would be his 22.25M( Signing Bonus Propration) + 1.075 ( lowest base salary)= 21.175M

            cap hit as of now 41.250-21.175 (min cap hit)=20.075 savings from cap

            So we could actually save more money by restructuring him in 2021 than if we just cut-retires this year 19M ( base 4M+ 15M bonus)
            I only care about 2021, in 2022 the cap will go up, and we have money ( we can break it down that 21 M what we owe him in 2-3 years).
            Last edited by steeler_george; 01-29-2021, 03:42 AM.

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            • Joel Buchsbaum
              Legend
              • Jan 2021
              • 7744

              #7
              Originally posted by SteelBucks
              With a restructure, I’d welcome Ben back. He’s better than anything we got now and it gives the Steelers another season to figure out the future at QB....and no it’s not Rudolph.
              I'd take him back for a one year deal worth 25 million, or a two year deal worth say 50 million. Rooney must have told Ben he will be cut if he doesn't restructure.

              This is strictly my opinion....Ben wants to be a 1st ballot hall of fame guy and doesn't want to retire the same time Drew Brees did.

              Either way Ben's time is up. No more than a 2 year deal, and make sure you can cut him without a massive cap hit.
              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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              • NorthCoast
                Legend
                • Sep 2008
                • 26640

                #8
                Originally posted by SteelBucks
                With a restructure, I’d welcome Ben back. He’s better than anything we got now and it gives the Steelers another season to figure out the future at QB....and no it’s not Rudolph.
                Rudolph feels otherwise. And when has he been given a legit chance? Roethlisberger will win in the regular season, but has been not good, to put it kindly, in the post season. Do you want to be fooled again this year?
                Last edited by NorthCoast; 01-29-2021, 09:13 AM.

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                • NorthCoast
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26640

                  #9
                  This doesn't sound to me like Roethlisberger giving up salary but just kicking the can;

                  Gerry Dulac@gerrydulac
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                  Ryan Tollner: “Ben knows he has more left, but having key players back, like (Maurkice) Pouncey, will be important. Ben’s contract won’t hold things up. We told them immediately after the season we will make any necessary adjustment to help their cap situation in 2021.”

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                  • Eich
                    Legend
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 7079

                    #10
                    Other than being Ben's friend, I don't get why Pouncey is considered a "key" player. He's a liability.

                    And "restructure" means nothing in terms of Ben doing whatever it takes. I always laugh when players say they're willing to restructure, when that often just means taking money up front. Who wouldn't do that? He should literally end up with less compensation. The way he's played in recent playoff games and the last quarter of 2020, he should be giving back some money.

                    I wish we could make the vast majority of his compensation based on performance in 2021. Like a huge bonus for winning a playoff game.
                    Last edited by Eich; 01-29-2021, 09:50 AM.

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                    • KYPITTFAN
                      Backup
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 389

                      #11
                      Is it not all about putting the best player at each position on the field you can? Does anyone here feel Pitt can field a better QB next year than Ben? If he makes his salary a non issue then what is the issue with him coming back?

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27568

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KYPITTFAN
                        Is it not all about putting the best player at each position on the field you can? Does anyone here feel Pitt can field a better QB next year than Ben? If he makes his salary a non issue then what is the issue with him coming back?
                        I think the real question is can we field a better TEAM without Ben next year. Can we keep more impact players at other positions if we move on from Ben?

                        Will a younger QB who practices everyday and stays late to work with WR’s because he is hungry af to be a franchise QB make us better overall?

                        Will Mason not focus on DJ so much that he gives players like Washington and Claypool more shots downfield with more catchable balls?

                        Ben had his time, he is a first ballot HOFer but I also think its time to start the next chapter and see if Tomlin and company can do it without Ben.
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                        • NorthCoast
                          Legend
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 26640

                          #13
                          Originally posted by KYPITTFAN
                          Is it not all about putting the best player at each position on the field you can? Does anyone here feel Pitt can field a better QB next year than Ben? If he makes his salary a non issue then what is the issue with him coming back?
                          In his one start Rudolph outplayed Roethlisberger head to head against the Browns. Who knows what he could do in a full season.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27568

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            In his one start Rudolph outplayed Roethlisberger head to head against the Browns. Who knows what he could do in a full season.
                            fans are holding onto the Ben that was..

                            I think the 2 Cleveland games showed us that Mason can hold his own.
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                            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 10287

                              #15
                              Originally posted by steeler_george
                              So in reality, if we restructure Ben to a min cap hit in 2021 it would be his 22.25M( Signing Bonus Propration) + 1.075 ( lowest base salary)= 21.175M

                              cap hit as of now 41.250-21.175 (min cap hit)=20.075 savings from cap

                              So we could actually save more money by restructuring him in 2021 than if we just cut-retires this year 19M ( base 4M+ 15M bonus)
                              I only care about 2021, in 2022 the cap will go up, and we have money ( we can break it down that 21 M what we owe him in 2-3 years).
                              Everything is correct until you get to the math. $22.25M pro rated SB + $1.075M = a cap hit of $23.325M, a cap savings of $17.925. Cap savings from cutting him is $19M.

                              The problem is what is meant by the word "restructure". While fans usually praise players who restructure their contract, the usual way that it is done is that the player gets the same money that they were going to receive for the year, most of it day one. Salary turned into bonus that is kicked down the road and puts you in the position we see today where even cutting a player in his final year costs $22M against the cap. That number has nothing to do with Ben's original contract, it is because they kept restructuring and today is the day we need to pay the piper.

                              When Ben uses a phrase like "willing to help", that is not a restructure. Anybody should be willing to do that, there is no loss in money. If he actually wants to help he takes an actual reduction. The difference is that I would do it with minimal signing bonus, instead guaranteed roster bonuses. That way, even if he is not on the team, that money is due to him.

                              The plan that I'd laid out would reduce the total guaranteed outlay from $19M to $10M. There would be a cap hit of $26.25M in 2021 (savings $15M) and only $6M kicked down the road. If he retires after next season then the dead money hit is a much more palatable $6M. That can all be taken in '22 or spread out as $2M in '22 and $4M in '23. Ben's help is forgoing $9M.

                              If restructured the traditional way, you keep his salary at say $2M, and spread the remaining $17M spread out over maybe 4 years on a 3 year extension. So pro-rated is $4.25 per year and cap hit in '21 is $22.25M + $6.25M = $28.5M, a reduction in cap hit of $12.75M with that $12.75M still to be accounted for in future years. In this scenario, while it does help the team's cap next year, Ben actually gives up nothing. He still would receive $19M in 2021.

                              I'm interested to hear what Ben's side proposed, since they presumably made the call. The FO did not need Ben to remind them how to kick the can down the road. Is he actually willing to make a sacrifice? Or just helping them with accounting? Is he willing to sacrifice only if they retain Pouncey? I'd like to have been on that phone call.
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