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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
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    Roethlisberger's Easy Schedule

    This says he's got the top 5 easiest schedule in the NFL. But I think the other way to view this is teams that have built their defenses to defend what opponent QBs are good at:

    It’s Hard To Measure NFL Matchups, So We Built A Better Metric
    By Josh Hermsmeyer

    Filed under NFL

    Los Angeles Chargers v Miami Dolphins
    Tua Tagovailoa of the Miami Dolphins has faced difficult matchups — based on our similarity scores — to start his career. MARK BROWN / GETTY IMAGES
    The NFL is a league of matchups, and no matchup is more crucial to wins and losses than the battle between a quarterback and the pass defense. That’s important for more than just the coaches calling X’s and O’s: Each week, the media, betting markets and fantasy players all make predictions about which teams (and which players) will best take advantage of their opponent’s weaknesses.

    Because football is such a complex sport, quantitative analysts haven’t found a great way to capture all the relevant information for each offensive and defensive passing unit in a way that lets us make reasonable predictions about future outcomes. Perhaps the biggest flaw of most approaches to strength-of-schedule and matchup analyses, for example, is that they assume that because a defense has or has not allowed yards, completions and points generally, we should expect that performance to continue against a future opponent. The problem: That isn’t really true. Defenses have weaknesses, but to exploit them, an offense first needs to know they exist. Then it must possess the personnel needed to actually take advantage. In the NFL, neither of those circumstances is a given.


    One approach to quantifying these matchups is to look at where on the field a quarterback tends to complete more passes than average and where a defense tends to allow more completions than average. We’ve published heat maps like these before on FiveThirtyEight — both for defenses and for quarterbacks. (We think they’re pretty cool.) If we use some fancy math,1 we can roll these heat maps into a single, convenient number that describes the similarity between where a QB’s passes are completed and where a defense allows passes in a given matchup, with higher numbers indicating a better matchup for the quarterback. These similarity scores then give us an idea of which QBs have faced a more difficult slate and who might have a challenge ahead in the upcoming week.

    Like most quantitative measures, similarity scores are worthless without a decent sample size. To ensure we have enough pass attempts to make good comparisons, and to eliminate early-season variance, we chose to calculate our scores only for matchups that occurred from Week 5 onward. We then averaged the scores for each QB who played in at least three games over the seven-week period from Week 5 through Week 11 to see who’s had the toughest schedule, ranking them from the most challenging schedule to the most favorable.



    QUARTERBACK TEAM APPEARANCES AVG. SIM SCORE
    Tua Tagovailoa Miami Dolphins 3 63.1
    Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks 6 64.7
    Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions 6 67.5
    Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens 6 69.4
    Kirk Cousins Minnesota Vikings 5 71.9
    Nick Mullens San Francisco 49ers 3 75.1
    Kyler Murray Arizona Cardinals 6 76.3
    Ryan Tannehill Tennessee Titans 7 76.5
    Justin Herbert Los Angeles Chargers 6 77.1
    Joe Flacco New York Jets 4 78.2
    Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 6 79.8
    Alex Smith Washington Football Team 3 80.3
    Drew Lock Denver Broncos 6 80.3
    Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6 80.5
    Cam Newton New England Patriots 5 81.2
    Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons 6 81.4
    Philip Rivers Indianapolis Colts 6 82.1
    Josh Allen Buffalo Bills 6 83.3
    Daniel Jones New York Giants 6 83.4
    Deshaun Watson Houston Texans 6 83.7
    Carson Wentz Philadelphia Eagles 6 83.8
    Jared Goff Los Angeles Rams 5 84.2
    Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers 7 85.5
    Baker Mayfield Cleveland Browns 6 87.4
    Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs 6 92
    Nick Foles Chicago Bears 6 92
    Derek Carr Las Vegas Raiders 6 92.9


    (not the full article due to length)
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...better-metric/
    Last edited by NorthCoast; 11-30-2020, 04:19 PM.
  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
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    #2
    wouldn't be an easy schedule for Mason Rudolph.

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    • NorthCoast
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      • Sep 2008
      • 26636

      #3
      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
      wouldn't be an easy schedule for Mason Rudolph.
      LOL... that's because he has a problem with "look at where on the field a quarterback tends to complete more passes than average "

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      • flippy
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        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        I have no clue what that article is saying. There's really no data to back any of it up. Actually, I'm sure there is, but they didn't share enough details.
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        • NorthCoast
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          • Sep 2008
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          #5
          Originally posted by flippy
          I have no clue what that article is saying. There's really no data to back any of it up. Actually, I'm sure there is, but they didn't share enough details.
          article says they took the data from NFL Next Gen Stats and basically remassaged it into a single number that tells field location where the QB makes the most plays vs opponent defensive strength location. A higher "similarity score" equals more favorable matchup for the QB.

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
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            #6
            theoretically, I suppose a score=100 means the QB excels at passing where the defense is weakest

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            • flippy
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              • Dec 2008
              • 17088

              #7
              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              article says they took the data from NFL Next Gen Stats and basically remassaged it into a single number that tells field location where the QB makes the most plays vs opponent defensive strength location. A higher "similarity score" equals more favorable matchup for the QB.
              I got that part, but there's no data there to show me who Ben matches up well against and why. They show next week's matchups, but I would like to know more details around where the strengths and weaknesses are on both sides.

              There must be some software/AI that could replace coordinators and call the perfect play that should work every time. When that day comes, fans won't be able to blame the coaches any more and we'll know it's players not executing.
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              • NorthCoast
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                • Sep 2008
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                #8
                Originally posted by flippy
                I got that part, but there's no data there to show me who Ben matches up well against and why. They show next week's matchups, but I would like to know more details around where the strengths and weaknesses are on both sides.

                There must be some software/AI that could replace coordinators and call the perfect play that should work every time. When that day comes, fans won't be able to blame the coaches any more and we'll know it's players not executing.
                I agree flippy... looked for the same info but couldn't find. I think it was interesting that some analysis was provided by the Ravens analytic expert. It's been well noted they are big into analytics.

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                • Captain Lemming
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                  • Jun 2008
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by flippy
                  I have no clue what that article is saying. There's really no data to back any of it up. Actually, I'm sure there is, but they didn't share enough details.
                  If you just put in the effort to quantify the variables, without prejudging the outcome (like you always do, Flippy) you would easily grasp the logic behind their astute conclusions.

                  But you'd rather create this sham facade of feigned ignorance as a shield to the criticism we all know you deserve.

                  I for one, am not swayed by your shameless attempt at deception!!!!

                  You shall not escape my expressions of righteous indignation over your callous attempt to besmirch the reputation of the author of this fine article.
                  Last edited by Captain Lemming; 12-01-2020, 12:06 AM.
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                  In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                  TCFCLTC-
                  The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                  • hawaiiansteel
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                    • May 2008
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                    If you just put in the effort to quantify the variables

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                    • flippy
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                      • Dec 2008
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                      If you just put in the effort to quantify the variables, without prejudging the outcome (like you always do, Flippy) you would easily grasp the logic behind their astute conclusions.

                      But you'd rather create this sham facade of feigned ignorance as a shield to the criticism we all know you deserve.

                      I for one, am not swayed by your shameless attempt at deception!!!!

                      You shall not escape my expressions of righteous indignation over your callous attempt to besmirch the reputation of the author of this fine article.
                      After a careful re-read and analysis, I think I get the point. The Steelers are overrated and just winning because the defenses we played are susceptible to Ben's short quick passes.

                      Had we played 10 different teams that could stop the short quick passes, then we'd likely be 0-10 and competing for the 1st pick with the Jets.

                      That dude just dissed us.
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                      • Captain Lemming
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                        • Jun 2008
                        • 16041

                        #12
                        Originally posted by flippy
                        After a careful re-read and analysis, I think I get the point. The Steelers are overrated and just winning because the defenses we played are susceptible to Ben's short quick passes.

                        Had we played 10 different teams that could stop the short quick passes, then we'd likely be 0-10 and competing for the 1st pick with the Jets.

                        That dude just dissed us.
                        Wait! You found meaning in my jiberish and figured that stupid article out?
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                        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                        TCFCLTC-
                        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                        • BURGH86STEEL
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                          • May 2008
                          • 6921

                          #13
                          No easy schedules in the NFL regardless of how anyone wants to manipulate the data. Based on my opinion the Steelers defeated teams different ways on offense, defense, and special teams. They also had some luck up to this point of the season. Sometimes it's better to be luck than good.

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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
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                            #14
                            I didn't read the whole thing, so maybe 5hey did this.

                            I think it would be interesting for them to see if ranking by intended air yards gives them a similar list.

                            We throw a ton of short passes. I think Ben has the shortest intended air yards in the league (although Alex Smith is playing again and he plays this way too)

                            Short passes have high completion rates.

                            I wonder if this is what this analysis is saying.

                            Maybe if they repeated the analysis with something that accounts for completion % and yards, they'd see something else?

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                            • NorthCoast
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 26636

                              #15
                              Originally posted by flippy
                              After a careful re-read and analysis, I think I get the point. The Steelers are overrated and just winning because the defenses we played are susceptible to Ben's short quick passes.

                              Had we played 10 different teams that could stop the short quick passes, then we'd likely be 0-10 and competing for the 1st pick with the Jets.

                              That dude just dissed us.
                              don't forget to add KC and Mahomes to the overrated list... after all, he had the 3rd easiest season.

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