Andy Dalton Anyone?

[whisper]

Not sure either, but I'd also put my money one way more hype now.

Way more now simply because there are way more loud speakers going off.

1984 - 1 sports channel (barely).
Now - About a dozen, just counting tv alone.
1984 - No NFL Network.
Now - There is.
1984 - no internet.
Now - There is.
1984 - Almost no one even watched, or cared about, the draft.
Now - NFL draft watched by more people than other sports playoff games.
1984 - No social media.
Now - There is.
1984 - About 4-5 college games televised on a Saturday.
Now - 20?

[Steel Maniac]

I think it's unlikely that we'll have enough capital to go up and get an elite QB as long as we have a good D. If there's a can't miss QB prospect, I think the team with the pick will get him or someone will likely pay more than us (because we tend not to overpay for things).

Look at last year. Our QB play was terrible and we still finished 8-8.

Even under Cowher, we were only bad enough once to get a very good QB. And we really only got him because there was a super strong QB class (not just hype, but actually 3 very good starters), and Cleveland is Cleveland.

Give Colbert some credit; He didn't have to pull the trigger at # 11 to get Ben. But Ben was worth it he felt. And I"m sure that if there was a guy he felt was worth going up to get, we could do it. But it will cost us an arm and leg. But a franchise QB is worth an arm and leg.

I think the Rams survived what they gave up to get Geoff. I think we have a savy enough GM to figure it out. Or are you proposing to go through what we went through in the Bubby Brister, Neil Odonnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox years? I don't want to relive that fiasco of half ass QB's.

[Northern_Blitz]

Give Colbert some credit; He didn't have to pull the trigger at # 11 to get Ben. But Ben was worth it he felt. And I"m sure that if there was a guy he felt was worth going up to get, we could do it. But it will cost us an arm and leg. But a franchise QB is worth an arm and leg.

I think the Rams survived what they gave up to get Geoff. I think we have a savy enough GM to figure it out. Or are you proposing to go through what we went through in the Bubby Brister, Neil Odonnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox years? I don't want to relive that fiasco of half ass QB's.

I think the trick to winning in the NFL today is to have a good team and an average or better QB on a rookie deal. I think trading lots of good picks to get a guy means that it's hard to keep your team good while they're on their rookie deal. The Rams squeked out a good rookie deal year by loading up on expensive UFAs. But, it looks like they fell off once they had to pay their QB market level (probably actually overpaid).

So, I'm not sure we should model the Steelers future after the Rams.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens with QBs moving forward. It's probably not a trend, but are Winston signing for cheap and Cam hanging out as a UFA signs that teams are starting to realize that there is a danger to overpaying QBs? A lot of the recent big money QB deals look like cautionary tales right now (including our very own Big Ben).

[NorthCoast]

Way more now simply because there are way more loud speakers going off.

1984 - 1 sports channel (barely).
Now - About a dozen, just counting tv alone.
1984 - No NFL Network.
Now - There is.
1984 - no internet.
Now - There is.
1984 - Almost no one even watched, or cared about, the draft.
Now - NFL draft watched by more people than other sports playoff games.
1984 - No social media.
Now - There is.
1984 - About 4-5 college games televised on a Saturday.
Now - 20?

Holy bejesus whisper. Thank you for reminding me on the invention of the internet!! That right there is Cause #1!
Yea...lots of airspace to fill these days. And those that are filling it aren't all that great, starting with Neon Deon... good grief.

[Steel Maniac]

I think the trick to winning in the NFL today is to have a good team and an average or better QB on a rookie deal. I think trading lots of good picks to get a guy means that it's hard to keep your team good while they're on their rookie deal. The Rams squeked out a good rookie deal year by loading up on expensive UFAs. But, it looks like they fell off once they had to pay their QB market level (probably actually overpaid).

So, I'm not sure we should model the Steelers future after the Rams.

I"m not saying we model ourselves after the Rams per say. I just gave you an example of IF we wanted to go high and get a QB, that it can be done. IF...we wanted to do that. Only in frachise QB acquisition only.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens with QBs moving forward. It's probably not a trend, but are Winston signing for cheap and Cam hanging out as a UFA signs that teams are starting to realize that there is a danger to overpaying QBs? A lot of the recent big money QB deals look like cautionary tales right now (including our very own Big Ben).

There is something there; Never have we seen two QB's with so much potential upside just sit out there like what we are seeing.

[Captain Lemming]

Give Colbert some credit; He didn't have to pull the trigger at # 11 to get Ben. But Ben was worth it he felt. And I"m sure that if there was a guy he felt was worth going up to get, we could do it. But it will cost us an arm and leg. But a franchise QB is worth an arm and leg.

I think the Rams survived what they gave up to get Geoff. I think we have a savy enough GM to figure it out. Or are you proposing to go through what we went through in the Bubby Brister, Neil Odonnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox years? I don't want to relive that fiasco of half ass QB's.

Actually he did HAVE TO pull the trigger to get Ben. In a rare display of pulling rank Dan Rooney took control and decided he was NOT going to have another Dan Marino regret. Colbert and Cowher would have picked tackle Shawn Andrews without Rooney stepping in.

The story is recounted in Rooneys book.

[Steel Maniac]

Actually he did HAVE TO pull the trigger to get Ben. In a rare display of pulling rank Dan Rooney took control and decided he was NOT going to have another Dan Marino regret. Colbert and Cowher would have picked tackle Shawn Andrews without Rooney stepping in.

The story is recounted in Rooneys book.

Your right: Rooney did put the gun to his head. But we got Ben in the first round. And it was a success. I think if we emulate taking a qb ( that we think is the right guy) in the first round, we’ll have success again.

[Buzz]

Your right: Rooney did put the gun to his head. But we got Ben in the first round. And it was a success. I think if we emulate taking a qb ( that we think is the right guy) in the first round, we’ll have success again.

I hope so. Then again, if Ben's arm is good as new, and he clicks with this young core of receivers he's got, he might stick around longer than everyone thinks.

[whisper]

Actually he did HAVE TO pull the trigger to get Ben. In a rare display of pulling rank Dan Rooney took control and decided he was NOT going to have another Dan Marino regret. Colbert and Cowher would have picked tackle Shawn Andrews without Rooney stepping in.

The story is recounted in Rooneys book.

I've heard this before, thank God for Dan Rooney. We'd have two less rings if not for that.

[whisper]

I hope so. Then again, if Ben's arm is good as new, and he clicks with this young core of receivers he's got, he might stick around longer than everyone thinks.

Maybe a little longer. But my man has taken so many brutal shots over the years. Those catch up. It's amazing he has played as long as he has.

[Steel Maniac]

Dalton is signing with the Cowboys.

[NorthCoast]

Dalton is signing with the Cowboys.

And pretty cheap too.

Looks more and more like teams don't want to be held hostage by franchise QBs. GB, now DAL. wonder what teams like KC and BAL will do in a couple of years.

[feltdizz]

And pretty cheap too.

Looks more and more like teams don't want to be held hostage by franchise QBs. GB, now DAL. wonder what teams like KC and BAL will do in a couple of years.

Not sure what Dak is thinking but it’s also a cheap deal which IMO tells me they still plan on paying Dak.

AR is near the end of his career. He’s been paid handsomely over the years. One thing I heard that was amazing is Rodgers has never thrown a TD pass to WR drafted in the first round.

[Steel Maniac]

And pretty cheap too.

Looks more and more like teams don't want to be held hostage by franchise QBs. GB, now DAL. wonder what teams like KC and BAL will do in a couple of years.

Seems that way. Front offices drawing a line in the sand now? Gonna be good to see how this plays out. Mahomes is going to get his 40 mil per year.

[Northern_Blitz]

And pretty cheap too.

Looks more and more like teams don't want to be held hostage by franchise QBs. GB, now DAL. wonder what teams like KC and BAL will do in a couple of years.

I think this is the way to go. Teams with huge QB deals haven't seen the return they wanted recently.