Andy Dalton Anyone?

[whisper]

I think this is the way to go. Teams with huge QB deals haven't seen the return they wanted recently.

Ben got 2 huge deals (at the time he signed them). I'm glad we kept him.

[feltdizz]

I think this is the way to go. Teams with huge QB deals haven't seen the return they wanted recently.

huh? You really think Dalton is the future or stop gap in Dallas?

Dude is prolly a 1 year back up for Dallas.

[NJ-STEELER]

AR is near the end of his career. He’s been paid handsomely over the years. One thing I heard that was amazing is Rodgers has never thrown a TD pass to WR drafted in the first round.

plenty of 2nd round guy though

Jennings, Nelson, Adams , Cobb

[NorthCoast]

huh? You really think Dalton is the future or stop gap in Dallas?

Dude is prolly a 1 year back up for Dallas.

While Dak gets hype, I think he is only marginally better than Dalton. And for the price difference I'd be tempted to see what Dalton can do with a legit offense, not that mess in CIN.

[Starlifter]

So if we all agree the Brady is the GOAT (or at least part of that conversation) the question is what qualifies that? Wins and Championships certainly, but how did he get those? Is his arm strength off the charts (even in his youth)? Is his scrambling/running ability the key? I would venture the largest factor in his success is not only his fierce desire to win but his mastery of the technical details of QB and his knowledge of the game. The vast majority of times he sends the ball to the correct spot and places the ball in the best position for the receiver to make the catch. He minimizes mistakes and takes advantage of the defense.

The point I'm trying to make is that like most, I'm mesmerized by physical skills - but the most important part of being QB (in my opinion) is the ability to make the correct reads, make the proper throws and eliminate mistakes. I think THAT over the course of a season/career leads to far greater success. To the points above, if you compare Dalton to Dak - there's no comparison when it comes to running ability, scrambling ability, RPO success. But if you make the comparison based on knowledge of the game and the ability to make smart decisions on where to throw the ball - I'm not convinced there is a great difference. And the ability to eliminate mistakes and keep the offense on the field is the greater value in my view. Especially when you compare the likely differences in salary.

[Steel Maniac]

So if we all agree the Brady is the GOAT (or at least part of that conversation) the question is what qualifies that? Wins and Championships certainly, but how did he get those? Is his arm strength off the charts (even in his youth)? Is his scrambling/running ability the key? I would venture the largest factor in his success is not only his fierce desire to win but his mastery of the technical details of QB and his knowledge of the game. The vast majority of times he sends the ball to the correct spot and places the ball in the best position for the receiver to make the catch. He minimizes mistakes and takes advantage of the defense.

The point I'm trying to make is that like most, I'm mesmerized by physical skills - but the most important part of being QB (in my opinion) is the ability to make the correct reads, make the proper throws and eliminate mistakes. I think THAT over the course of a season/career leads to far greater success. To the points above, if you compare Dalton to Dak - there's no comparison when it comes to running ability, scrambling ability, RPO success. But if you make the comparison based on knowledge of the game and the ability to make smart decisions on where to throw the ball - I'm not convinced there is a great difference. And the ability to eliminate mistakes and keep the offense on the field is the greater value in my view. Especially when you compare the likely differences in salary.

Quarterbacking is 90 percent above the neck. I agree with you. Good decision making and constantly getting the ball Out your hands to the playmakers.

[feltdizz]

While Dak gets hype, I think he is only marginally better than Dalton. And for the price difference I'd be tempted to see what Dalton can do with a legit offense, not that mess in CIN.

Dalton isn’t the answer.

I swear, if Dalton had Dak’s stays last year people on here would be talking about how great he is and how all he needs is a better play caller on offense.

Dak definitely needs to improve in the red zone but you don’t see what you got in Dalton at this point in Dak’s career.

[feltdizz]

So if we all agree the Brady is the GOAT (or at least part of that conversation) the question is what qualifies that? Wins and Championships certainly, but how did he get those? Is his arm strength off the charts (even in his youth)? Is his scrambling/running ability the key? I would venture the largest factor in his success is not only his fierce desire to win but his mastery of the technical details of QB and his knowledge of the game. The vast majority of times he sends the ball to the correct spot and places the ball in the best position for the receiver to make the catch. He minimizes mistakes and takes advantage of the defense.

The point I'm trying to make is that like most, I'm mesmerized by physical skills - but the most important part of being QB (in my opinion) is the ability to make the correct reads, make the proper throws and eliminate mistakes. I think THAT over the course of a season/career leads to far greater success. To the points above, if you compare Dalton to Dak - there's no comparison when it comes to running ability, scrambling ability, RPO success. But if you make the comparison based on knowledge of the game and the ability to make smart decisions on where to throw the ball - I'm not convinced there is a great difference. And the ability to eliminate mistakes and keep the offense on the field is the greater value in my view. Especially when you compare the likely differences in salary.

there is a difference. Dak extends plays and makes throws out side the pocket where Dalton would throw it in the dirt and punt or check down for a 3 yard gain in 3rd and 9.

Ive seen enough of Dalton to know he isn’t the answer in Dallas. Just a good insurance policy if Dak goes down or tried to sit out for a contract extension.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I guess our problem is that we never really suck and it's tough to get an elite QB picking out of the top 5.

Look how much we had to give up just to get an ILB of the future.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Me too.

I absolutely didn't want a QB.

The only way I wanted a QB is if they knew that for sure Ben was not healing and would not be coming back strong. It's too bad that the team hasn't had the chance to see him up close, but if his elbow is healed I'm happy they are loading up for a run, unlike the Packers who told AR that they are loading up for the future, not a run with him.

[NorthCoast]

So if we all agree the Brady is the GOAT (or at least part of that conversation) the question is what qualifies that? Wins and Championships certainly, but how did he get those? Is his arm strength off the charts (even in his youth)? Is his scrambling/running ability the key? I would venture the largest factor in his success is not only his fierce desire to win but his mastery of the technical details of QB and his knowledge of the game. The vast majority of times he sends the ball to the correct spot and places the ball in the best position for the receiver to make the catch. He minimizes mistakes and takes advantage of the defense.

The point I'm trying to make is that like most, I'm mesmerized by physical skills - but the most important part of being QB (in my opinion) is the ability to make the correct reads, make the proper throws and eliminate mistakes. I think THAT over the course of a season/career leads to far greater success. To the points above, if you compare Dalton to Dak - there's no comparison when it comes to running ability, scrambling ability, RPO success. But if you make the comparison based on knowledge of the game and the ability to make smart decisions on where to throw the ball - I'm not convinced there is a great difference. And the ability to eliminate mistakes and keep the offense on the field is the greater value in my view. Especially when you compare the likely differences in salary.

It helps a lot when you cheat and know the other guy's playcalling. Or deflate balls to get a better grip.

[Captain Lemming]

So if we all agree the Brady is the GOAT (or at least part of that conversation) the question is what qualifies that? Wins and Championships certainly, but how did he get those? Is his arm strength off the charts (even in his youth)? Is his scrambling/running ability the key? I would venture the largest factor in his success is not only his fierce desire to win but his mastery of the technical details of QB and his knowledge of the game. The vast majority of times he sends the ball to the correct spot and places the ball in the best position for the receiver to make the catch. He minimizes mistakes and takes advantage of the defense.

The point I'm trying to make is that like most, I'm mesmerized by physical skills - but the most important part of being QB (in my opinion) is the ability to make the correct reads, make the proper throws and eliminate mistakes. I think THAT over the course of a season/career leads to far greater success. To the points above, if you compare Dalton to Dak - there's no comparison when it comes to running ability, scrambling ability, RPO success. But if you make the comparison based on knowledge of the game and the ability to make smart decisions on where to throw the ball - I'm not convinced there is a great difference. And the ability to eliminate mistakes and keep the offense on the field is the greater value in my view. Especially when you compare the likely differences in salary.

Dak is second in NFL history in lowest interception percentage.

Dalton? Way down the list behind Ben of all people who we all know has interceptions as his biggest weakness.

I would suggest that without question, your description of "the most important part of being QB" (the ability to make the correct reads, make the proper throws and eliminate mistakes.) are in fact his greatest strengths, not running ability.

We can excuse Dalton all day but he has had elite skill players his entire career. He is MUCH more likely to throw a dumb ill timed pick than Dak. ROOKIE DAK played smarter than Dalton ever has.

Daks weakness is his arm ain't elite. But neither is Dalton's.

Just cause the guy has got wheels, don't mean he can be a superior QB mentally.

[Northern_Blitz]

huh? You really think Dalton is the future or stop gap in Dallas?

Dude is prolly a 1 year back up for Dallas.

I was agreeing with the second part of the post I quoted.

I don't think Dalton is the future for anyone.

But I also think Dallas would be better to negotiate as hard as they can to keep Dak's salary as low as possible (and maybe to walk away if it gets to be too high). I don't watch many NFC games, but it seems like he's pretty good.

[Captain Lemming]

Fun fact. Dalton has surpassed a 90 QB rating only 2 times in his career.

[Northern_Blitz]

Ben got 2 huge deals (at the time he signed them). I'm glad we kept him.

Fair enough. I don't really disagree with you (although there are some one the board who think we've dramatically underachieved over those two contracts).

With franchise QBs, you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The competitive advantage in today's NFL with a good QB on a rookie deal is huge.

We've been very good with Ben making big money. But I do wish we could have squeezed him a bit more and had some better defenses over those 2 contracts.