A Positive View of they Draft

[whisper]

I don't agree with that, teams aren't looking at stats put up in college, they are looking at measurables and the impact they can have at the NFL level. Dobbins is not going to run through teams like he did in college he won't even get that many carries during a game, not exactly a guy teams will have to plan for or go out of their way to defend. Claypool on the other hand is going to be a matchup nightmare, a redzone target, and will open up opportunities for our passing game as well as our running game.

Time will tell. Those who are sour grapes on Dobbins are gonna have egg on their face. His production was better than any back in OSU history, save one guy: Archie Griffin. And Dobbins was running against Ds like MI, MSU, PSU, et al. Those ain't chopped liver. He got 2,000 yards in ONE season.

I don't know. Silly me, I trust the Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and Belichick philosophy that actual production is the A#1 priority in player evaluation. I think those guys are OK football minds.

[Mr.wizard]

Time will tell. Those who are sour grapes on Dobbins are gonna have egg on their face. His production was better than any back in OSU history, save one guy: Archie Griffin. And Dobbins was running against Ds like MI, MSU, PSU, et al. Those ain't chopped liver. He got 2,000 yards in ONE season.

I don't know. Silly me, I trust the Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and Belichick philosophy that actual production is the A#1 priority in player evaluation. I think those guys are OK football minds.

Its not sour grapes on Dobbins its just a reality, the likely hood that Dobbins has the same rushing success in the NFL he had at OSU its almost zero, Claypool at his size and speed can effect the game by just being on tje field. And coaches in the NFL are not drafting on stats because they know the offenses the defenses and the opportunities will not be the same at the NFL level.

[hawaiiansteel]

Should have taken Fromm when he hung around forever

doesn't have the necessary required NFL arm strength...

[whatever]

I don't agree with that, teams aren't looking at stats put up in college, they are looking at measurables and the impact they can have at the NFL level. Dobbins is not going to run through teams like he did in college he won't even get that many carries during a game, not exactly a guy teams will have to plan for or go out of their way to defend. Claypool on the other hand is going to be a matchup nightmare, a redzone target, and will open up opportunities for our passing game as well as our running game.

I'll be happy to make a friendly wager on these 2 this year.

[Captain Lemming]

I'll be happy to make a friendly wager on these 2 this year.

You really shouldnt make wages my friend.
I know you just LOVE to make bets in the hopes that we lose, or we made a mistake but please remember......

Last time you did that you had to go bye bye when you lost to me

[whisper]

Its not sour grapes on Dobbins its just a reality, the likely hood that Dobbins has the same rushing success in the NFL he had at OSU its almost zero, Claypool at his size and speed can effect the game by just being on tje field. And coaches in the NFL are not drafting on stats because they know the offenses the defenses and the opportunities will not be the same at the NFL level.

Not be the same? Cool. So instead of racking up 2,000 yards, he might only rush for 1,500 a season. Would that be good?

[whisper]

What did you think about the Juju and Johnson picks? I think both were pretty widely panned around here.

My guess is also that your recollection of the Cower drafts is colored by the conclusion you want to make.

Drafts are a crap shoot. Especially when you don't have a 1st round pick.

Let's let the kids try before we shower them with praise or burry them with criticism.

I'm not gonna go through all the drafts the last 20 years now, but Tomlin has had way more duds than Cowher. Tomlin won a SB with BC's guys, but the last 10 years? Not so much.

[hawaiiansteel]

We gotta see where guys we drafted as developmental players (like Gentry and Gray for example) are at in their development. We might get some pleasant surprises from these guys.

should have drafted Prince Tega Wanogho in the 2nd round like you wanted, would have cured all of our OL woes

[Captain Lemming]

I'm not gonna go through all the drafts the last 20 years now, but Tomlin has had way more duds than Cowher. Tomlin won a SB with BC's guys, but the last 10 years? Not so much.

Cowhers guys?
1. The QB he didnt want to draft, forced on him by Rooney?
2. The Linebacker who EVERY STEELER FAN ON EARTH knew should be playing...cut THRICE who became a DPOY after Cowher?
3. The corner who DIGRESSED so badly Cowher gave up on him and benched him? Became a cover beast after Cowher?

The 11th ranked defense in Cowher let (06) that lost its most prolific pass rusher (Porter) and jumped to number number 2 in 07 and became numer one in 2008 under Tomlin?

Yes, Tomlin had great defenses with Cowhers player. Number one scoring defense 3 times with Cowhers players.
Know how many times Cowher had a number one scoring defense with "Cowhers players?" ONCE in FIFTEEN SEASONS...ONCE

Fun fact Tomlin has as many number one scoring defenses as Noll (2) and Cowher (1) COMBINED.
The whole "Cowhers players" narrative is ridiculous.

There are two factors in team success.
1. Talent acquisition, primary figure is the GM
2. Coaching of acquired talent- Primary figure is the coach

If I come in and have more success with YOUR players...I'm at LEAST on par with you as a coach.

Please spare me "they won a SB already" talk. That team was in a tailspin.
If Cowher were hired by say the Eagles tommorow and he gets a ring next season....HE deservedly gets credit.

[NorthCoast]

There have been commentaries that this draft 'had a different feel to it' from those in the past. One writer speculated that Tomlin may have been given much greater reign as Colbert begins winding down on his career after Roethlisberger retires..... hmmm

We know Tomlin is not one to shy away from projects, so is the kind of draft we can expect going forward?

[Sugar]

Time will tell. Those who are sour grapes on Dobbins are gonna have egg on their face. His production was better than any back in OSU history, save one guy: Archie Griffin. And Dobbins was running against Ds like MI, MSU, PSU, et al. Those ain't chopped liver. He got 2,000 yards in ONE season.

Archie was one of the greatest college players ever. How did he do in the NFL?

[feltdizz]

Time will tell. Those who are sour grapes on Dobbins are gonna have egg on their face. His production was better than any back in OSU history, save one guy: Archie Griffin. And Dobbins was running against Ds like MI, MSU, PSU, et al. Those ain't chopped liver. He got 2,000 yards in ONE season.

I don't know. Silly me, I trust the Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and Belichick philosophy that actual production is the A#1 priority in player evaluation. I think those guys are OK football minds.

Mae have no idea how players pan out once they get to the NFL. That’s the tricky thing about drafting players from talented teams. We don’t know if it’s the player or the program.

Dobbins might be the real deal or he might end up like a lot of Big 10 backs who just don’t have the speed for the next level.

Personally, I would’ve taken Dobbins.

[Steel Maniac]

Archie was one of the greatest college players ever. How did he do in the NFL?

Barry Sanders was one of the greatest college players ever. How did he do in the NFL?

[Steel Maniac]

Bottom line is we don't know. But as usual, time will tell the tale.

[Northern_Blitz]

Bottom line is we don't know. But as usual, time will tell the tale.

This.

It's true for every draft.

But I think more the case this year when everyone was making decisions / reporting with much less information than usual.