Ravens are killing it

[whatever]

so you would have drafted moss (83) and cushenberry (86) in the second round at 49??

Or you would have added another defensive player with yet another high pick to a defense that was near the top last year and has spent a number of high draft resources on that particular unit when the offense ranked near the bottom last year?

lol. I’m glad you are no where near the the Steelers war room during the draft

Man you are clueless..
You asked who I thought they could have drafted that could have started or contributed a lot. I gave you that list..
Not sure what the rest of your babbling is suppose to mean.
I do know one thing. If any of those guys I listed were drafted by the Steelers, you would be saying how great they are and how they were perfect bpa fits for us.
AND I guarantee if the Ravens had drafted claypool and highsmith, you would say they suck.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

[QUOTE=steeler_george;795093]he heard or read that a lot of mocks had the Ravens connected to Claypool. Maybe that is why they traded back instead of taking Dobbins when they could of.[QUOTE]

That's why I always find the talk of "that was a reach" (or steal for that matter) to be funny. For it to be a reach it would mean that nobody else would have taken him between now and the spot you would drop to. There is no way we can know that. I saw a ton of picks yesterday that were outside of what the "experts" had predicted. I kept seeing Trautman as the next TE up, and then watched as three TEs go before him, including a pick by the NE Patriots, a team that can't be called wrong because BB is a "genius" so they get a pass.

Teams have information that we don't. They meet with these guys, they model what an individual can do within that team's scheme, they watch hours and hours of focused film, they talk to people who know and work with these guys. Then, when the time comes to draft, the guys who get paid a lot of money to figure out who teams will pick can't even get it right, but we are sitting at home, having watched college football games on Saturdays, and deciding with confidence which teams are right or wrong.

I'm not defending or criticizing any team's decision on who to draft, but instead I realize that they have waaaaay more information to go on than I do. I hope they all Steeler picks work out, I'm excited to see them in B&G, but in no way would I either proclaim a player "the steal of the draft, future HOFer" or "how did those idiots reach for that guy? He's a bust". Let's just wait and see. Time will tell if Claypool provided value or busts at 2(49). We certainly don't have an answer yet. And as for dropping down however number of spots, adding extra picks and still getting the target? Only when I see the big board of every other team will I know if that's true.

BTW, the best I remember feeling after a draft came in 2008. In the first we got a player who nobody imagined could fall to 23. Almost every mock had the RB going to Carolina at 13. If not, even the most optimistic mocks had him dropping nowhere close. There was a huge run on OTs that year (8 in the first round) and when the Panthers went with Jonathan Stewart, and Jerry reached to his alma mater for a backup in Felix Jones, the gods smiled upon the Steelers and gifted them with.....Rashard Mendenhall. Luckilly they weren't forced to take the consolation back from East Carolina (Chris Johnson) or the fourth round tackle who rode the wave into the first (Duane Brown) who many mocked to the Steelers, who needed a tackle, in the fourth.

Fate smiled upon us again when the big, fast, big school receiver who Ben wanted fell into our laps in the second. That's it! The O was set for the next decade. We all knew how that worked out.

Rant over, but in short my philosophy is this: Any pick that any team makes I accept that they did this with a lot more information than I have, and there is no way that I know better than them if their picks will succeed or fail. Except the Browns. I just know that if the Browns made a pick then it was a mistake and I was right to mock them.

OK, there's my rant.

[Steel Maniac]

From the article I read on Steelers Depot, he took Pool because he was such a freak athlete.

Claypool and Ebron are going to make us lethal in the red zone.. and that’s a good thing. But how are we going to get to the red zone if we can’t run the ball? I’m thinking now that Colbert must be ready to make a free agent addition or two for the O-line. Before Ben was hurt , we couldn’t run the ball a lick against the Pats or Seahawks.

[Ernie]

Would you rather have our draft or theirs?

That's a fair question.... but let's make sure we add M. Fitzpatrick to our draft list (1st rounder).

[Ernie]

From the article I read on Steelers Depot, he took Pool because he was such a freak athlete.

Claypool and Ebron are going to make us lethal in the red zone.. and that’s a good thing. But how are we going to get to the red zone if we can’t run the ball? I’m thinking now that Colbert must be ready to make a free agent addition or two for the O-line. Before Ben was hurt , we couldn’t run the ball a lick against the Pats or Seahawks.

I look for us to take an OL or two today....
Interesting situation playing out at RB... If we do not take one today... look for us to trade for one post-draft (thinking Leonard Fournette).

[NJ-STEELER]

Man you are clueless..
You asked who I thought they could have drafted that could have started or contributed a lot. I gave you that list..
Not sure what the rest of your babbling is suppose to mean.
I do know one thing. If any of those guys I listed were drafted by the Steelers, you would be saying how great they are and how they were perfect bpa fits for us.
AND I guarantee if the Ravens had drafted claypool and highsmith, you would say they suck.

i would say they sucked? Even though I thought dobbins would be the pick?
are you retarded?

you’re crying about not filling a starting spot. What exactly have the ravens done with the dobbins pick? With Ingram being the starter.
how have they drafted to fix their weaknesses? something you’re criticizing the Steelers of not doing.
their passing game is their number 1 weakness and they haven’t addressed it. Outsmarting themselves and missing out on Claypool and mims ( traded out after he was selected in front of them )

you’re bitching just to bitch.
go find a tampon, go blow your John harbaugh doll and see how the rest of the draft plays out

[whatever]

i would say they sucked? Even though I thought dobbins would be the pick?
are you retarded?

you’re crying about not filling a starting spot. What exactly have the ravens done with the dobbins pick? With Ingram being the starter.
how have they drafted to fix their weaknesses? something you’re criticizing the Steelers of not doing.
their passing game is their number 1 weakness and they haven’t addressed it. Outsmarting themselves and missing out on Claypool and mims ( traded out after he was selected in front of them )

you’re bitching just to bitch.
go find a tampon, go blow your John harbaugh doll and see how the rest of the draft plays out

Lol.... would you like to wager?
I'll take the Ravens rb and we and you take claypool and highsmith. Let's see who has the most impact for their teams.
Get back on your knees now. The draft starts shortly. You need to be in position for Tomlins next pick.

[whisper]

All right, here are the Ravens' specific picks, and regrettably, I like every single one of them, and they had a boat load.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens


1. Queen - Ray Lewis II. Not even kidding. The ONLY knock on him is he is a little on the small side, just like Ray was. But also like Ray, he is like a heat seeking missile. He is everywhere and he takes whatever he hits down.
2. Dobbins, RB - Might be the best RB in the entire draft, had a 2,000 yard season in COLLEGE. Steelers passed on him. Why? Oh, we already got the guy Conner who will be hurt all the time. That's great.
3. Justin Madubuike, DT, Texas A&M - ranked top 3 DT in the entire draft. Of course Balt. gets him in the 3rd round.They lose a DT in FA and then UPGRADE him.
3. Devin Duvernay, WR, Texas - Unreal they got this guy. He is a burner, PLUS hard to tackle, built like a RB. Now when Jackson dumps the ball of, this guy can take it 80 yards on any play.
3. Malik Harrison, OLB, Ohio State - Someone wake me up from this nightmare. This LB ranked only behind Chase Young in pressure %. He is an animal.
3. Tyre Phillips, OT, Mississippi State - Good enough to win the starting OG spot left by Yanda.


That's great. The Steelers did draft an OLB who won't even play this year and who was rated lower than they took him. And an extra big WR. (I don't hate the Claypool pick, but would Dobbins not have helped us more?) Who did I leave out? No one, that's their entire draft so far. Good thing the Ravens only got SIX players who will start this year, all of whom are better than who they replaced, sans the OG.

After TWO days of the draft, how much better did the Steelers get? But Colbert and company think they are the smartest guys in the room (There was no "room" this year, just a figure of speech.)

[NJ-STEELER]

Lol.... would you like to wager?
I'll take the Ravens rb and we and you take claypool and highsmith. Let's see who has the most impact for their teams.
Get back on your knees now. The draft starts shortly. You need to be in position for Tomlins next pick.

you are seriously lacking in comprehension of what the draft is about.
a good amount of it is about potential.
I havent even given my opinion on the LB because I know nothing about him.

With the possibility of JuJu and Bud not being here in 2021, this is a big reason why these guys were taken.

So I couldn’t care less who has more production next year.
I’m more interested in what they do in their careers.

I know this. We are way ahead of them at the moment with Fitz having an all pro year with what would have been the 18th pick.

PS. if you think I’m a Tomlin apologist you should use the search feature on here and see what I think about him

[whatever]

All right, here are the Ravens' specific picks, and regrettably, I like every single one of them, and they had a boat load.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens


1. Queen - Ray Lewis II. Not even kidding. The ONLY knock on him is he is a little on the small side, just like Ray was. But also like Ray, he is like a heat seeking missile. He is everywhere and he takes whatever he hits down.
2. Dobbins, RB - Might be the best RB in the entire draft, had a 2,000 yard season in COLLEGE. Steelers passed on him. Why? Oh, we already got the guy Conner who will be hurt all the time. That's great.
3. Justin Madubuike, DT, Texas A&M - ranked top 3 DT in the entire draft. Of course Balt. gets him in the 3rd round.They lose a DT in FA and then UPGRADE him.
3. Devin Duvernay, WR, Texas - Unreal they got this guy. He is a burner, PLUS hard to tackle, built like a RB. Now when Jackson dumps the ball of, this guy can take it 80 yards on any play.
3. Malik Harrison, OLB, Ohio State - Someone wake me up from this nightmare. This LB ranked only behind Chase Young in pressure %. He is an animal.
3. Tyre Phillips, OT, Mississippi State - Good enough to win the starting OG spot left by Yanda.


That's great. The Steelers did draft an OLB who won't even play this year and who was rated lower than they took him. And an extra big WR. (I don't hate the Claypool pick, but would Dobbins not have helped us more?) Who did I leave out? No one, that's their entire draft so far. Good thing the Ravens only got SIX players who will start this year, all of whom are better than who they replaced, sans the OG.

After TWO days of the draft, how much better did the Steelers get? But Colbert and company think they are the smartest guys in the room (There was no "room" this year, just a figure of speech.)

Thanks for being honest and football intelligent.
Why is it so difficult to admit another team drafted better than your team?
Shows just how little they know about the game.
Kinda like dealing with a 10 year old that only knows the team on his PJs.

[NJ-STEELER]

If anyone else thinks the Baltimore propaganda machine rivals china’s propaganda machine.
there a good thread on the scout board questioning if dobbins would have been the correct pick for us at 49. From what I read, he needs to learn pass pro and his receiving skill is lacking.
on addition to the OSU Homers propping him up.
in addition, it goes on to re live the stuff we heard from the BPM about some of their past players. Elam, auther brown , Jernigan etc etc

[SteelBucks]

If anyone else thinks the Baltimore propaganda machine rivals china’s propaganda machine.
there a good thread on the scout board questioning if dobbins would have been the correct pick for us at 49. From what I read, he needs to learn pass pro and his receiving skill is lacking.
on addition to the OSU Homers propping him up.
in addition, it goes on to re live the stuff we heard from the BPM about some of their past players. Elam, auther brown , Jernigan etc etc

Dobbins is fine catching out of the backfield....but I’m an OSU homer

[whisper]

If anyone else thinks the Baltimore propaganda machine rivals china’s propaganda machine.
there a good thread on the scout board questioning if dobbins would have been the correct pick for us at 49. From what I read, he needs to learn pass pro and his receiving skill is lacking.
on addition to the OSU Homers propping him up.
in addition, it goes on to re live the stuff we heard from the BPM about some of their past players. Elam, auther brown , Jernigan etc etc

Yea, Dobbins is real chopped liver, thank God we didn't draft him. We got a way better back.

All that Dobbins did, in a major college program in a major Div. 1 conference was rush 301 times for 2003 yards for a 6.7 apc. Nothing impressive about that. He's gonna really blow @ss in the NFL, with a team that has road graters on the OL. I'm sure NJ Steeler knows better than anyone. Dobbins will just suck.

[NJ-STEELER]

Well I’m sure hoping he does suck now that he’s a raven.
not sure I can say the same about you. Go find a ravens board now so you can root for him.
Are you an OSU fan? You sure sound like one.
a guy that lasts to the 50s and you believe he has no holes in his game. That’s hilarious.

again, take a look at the scout message board. Lots of people on there that know the draft well.
they list the questions about him. Read a couple of drops from him cost them their last game.

the question for our FO wasn’t if if he can play for us. I’m actually sure he could do pretty well, that’s why I had him as the pick.
the question was does he offer a bigger upside then our current backs do or does Claypool offer us a bigger upside then the WR/TE Position

with a potent passing attack in 2018. Connors made the pro bowl. Even Samuels look good in that offense.

[NJ-STEELER]

Yea, Dobbins is real chopped liver, thank God we didn't draft him. We got a way better back.

All that Dobbins did, in a major college program in a major Div. 1 conference was rush 301 times for 2003 yards for a 6.7 apc. Nothing impressive about that. He's gonna really blow @ss in the NFL, with a team that has road graters on the OL. I'm sure NJ Steeler knows better than anyone. Dobbins will just suck.

It’s a team with an already great rushing attack.
what’s going to change once he is in the game vs Ingram or the FB they use.
please enlighten me.

im happy they didn’t try to improve their passing game at the top of the draft.
TRading away their 1st rd TE in 2018 also brings a smile to my face.
I’d be more worried about them if that area improved while they continue to be one dimensional.

you did see what a ( barely) playoff caliber team has done to them in the playoffs the last 2 years. Right??
even with home field advantage.