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  • whisper
    Legend
    • Mar 2020
    • 9423

    Recent drafts

    Look at the last few drafts now.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/draft.htm

    I don't want to cover later picks that are long shots to begin with. Not really significant. But....

    2019 (still too early to make final conclusions, but we've learned some stuff).

    1 - Bush. I think he's struggled some, like most rookies, but I find it likely he will become a top player. He has the physical talent, natural instincts, football IQ, and (as important as anything) the pure desire to want to hit people. I'm not ready to put him in the Hall of Fame just yet but I find it likely he's gonna be a probowl level player for years.

    3. DJ. I didn't like this pick. I thought we had bigger needs and he was from too small a school. Happily, I think I was wrong. This kid already made noise as a rookie with bums throwing him the ball, and with no one on the field to pull coverage away, like JuJu. Therefore, I like his odds of being a solid player.

    3b. Justin Layne, CB, MI State. Now, here's a player where we just don't know, he needs time to develop. I am glad they took a CB prospect within 3 rounds, he is really long, fast enough (4.5) but what we don't know is if he has the instincts and desire. Too early to say.

    4. Benny Snell, RB, KY. I am comfortable saying this was a good pick already, for a 4th rounder. I think he will fit in a rotation for the next 3 years. He may not end up a legit NFL starter (but he could) but I think it's likely he will end up being a good value.

    2018

    1. Edmunds, S, VT. I didn't like the pick then, I don't like it now. I still say he could/should have been a 3rd or 4th round pick. He has a nice size/speed ratio but there is more to football than just that. He seems like he lacks instincts. Fitzpatrick showed us what a safety with instincts plays like. I'm not saying Edmunds is a bum, but I feel they reached for him and something tells me Tomlin, once again, put too much stock in a player from the state of VA. Among the players still on the board at Edmunds pick: Sony Michel, Lamar Jackson, Nick Chubb, etc. A blown pick.

    2. James Washington, WR, OKS. I wasn't sure about him at the time, but I think he will end up quite good. I know a lot don't agree, but I think the trio of JuJu, JW and DJ will do just fine. James has strong hands, is powerful and is a gamer.

    3. Mason Rudolph. Not a fan. He just doesn't have "it." Backup NFL QB at best. But, I also don't mind taking a shot. You have to keep shooting in order to score. Mason was a miss, but keep taking shots at finding a QB until you obviously don't need one. Look at 1980-2004. All those years of trying to win with subpar QBs. Don't let that happen again. Keep shooting.

    2017

    1. TJ. Home run. How did he fall to us? Love everything about him.

    2. JuJu. Got beat up last season, hard time. He will be back. He's already shown he is a legit player.

    3. Sutton, CB, TN. Not sure. Looking like a miss.

    3b. James Conner. Nice story and all, thought he was taken too high, knew he would likely be hurt all the time, and I don't see that changing.

    2016

    1. Artie Burns. Pure and unadulterated bust. You pay your braintrust millions to pour over film, stats, etc. for a year and they screw the pooch this badly on a first round pick? They fell in love with his "taking care of siblings" story way too much, claiming it showed how mature he was already. Meanwhile, part of his downfall is his immaturity. Hey Colbert, next time you think you are the "smartest guy in the room" look back at this draft "effort" of 2016.

    2. Sean Davis. Thank the heavens the Redskins signed him, one of the few teams that don't realize this guy stinks. When your first two picks in a draft are this bad, you become the Browns. What a stinking pile of steaming doo doo.

    3. Hargrave. A good value, now we need them to do it again.

    4. Hawkins. Good.
  • steeler_george
    Hall of Famer
    • Dec 2008
    • 3417

    #2
    Good analysis, Good thing we are/were a veteren team with talent galore.

    2017 is by far one of our best drafts, that is what saved this franchise from being a S*itty team.

    I am looking forward to the new wave of steelers in 2020... here is what I am looking forward from the draft, 2 OL, 2 D, and 2 playmakers. I am not looking for starter or superstar, would be nice, but what we need most is depth and players to develop for the future.

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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26636

      #3
      2016 .... class wiped out.....nada a Steeler

      That right there is a major hit because they should be entering their prime

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35649

        #4
        Originally posted by whisper
        4. Hawkins. Good.
        not really...

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        • whisper
          Legend
          • Mar 2020
          • 9423

          #5
          Originally posted by steeler_george
          Good analysis, Good thing we are/were a veteren team with talent galore.

          2017 is by far one of our best drafts, that is what saved this franchise from being a S*itty team.

          I am looking forward to the new wave of steelers in 2020... here is what I am looking forward from the draft, 2 OL, 2 D, and 2 playmakers. I am not looking for starter or superstar, would be nice, but what we need most is depth and players to develop for the future.
          Add to that, minus a 1st round pick, it's harder to find a superstar. Like you, I'd love to see solid picks for the future (although some spots do need players for this year, like maybe NT).

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          • whisper
            Legend
            • Mar 2020
            • 9423

            #6
            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
            not really...
            I might have him confused with someone else. Didn't an OT end up OK (and on another team) from one of these drafts, or was it a FA?

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            • steeler_george
              Hall of Famer
              • Dec 2008
              • 3417

              #7
              They traded Hawkins I think for a 4 or a 5th that was used in the AB trade, I think...

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              • whisper
                Legend
                • Mar 2020
                • 9423

                #8
                Originally posted by steeler_george
                They traded Hawkins I think for a 4 or a 5th that was used in the AB trade, I think...
                Ended up in TB. Looks like he only played one game. Still better than total rubbish. At least he stayed in the league a few years.

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                • The Man of Steel
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 2236

                  #9
                  In 2018 we could of drafted Lamar Jackson first then we may have still gotten Terrell Edmunds in Mason Rudolph’s 3rd round spot.
                  Obviously the standard is the standard.

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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5795

                    #10
                    Amazing how all these guys were total studs, steals, PBA, and whatever else 'they' say after selected and turn into this.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • whisper
                      Legend
                      • Mar 2020
                      • 9423

                      #11
                      Originally posted by whatever
                      Amazing how all these guys were total studs, steals, PBA, and whatever else 'they' say after selected and turn into this.
                      They've had trouble evaluating DBs, big misses. Burns, Davis, Golson (who remembers him? 2nd rounder, worthless.)

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                      • SteelerMaine83
                        Starter
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 826

                        #12
                        Anyone here remember Tom Donahue? Used to be our draft guy. He once said that you hit .333 in baseball you’re an All-Star, and if you hit .250 in the draft/FA in the NFL you’re an All-Star.

                        When you do a deeper dig analysis of that for the Steelers and other teams you’ll see that’s pretty much how it pans out (meaning players that contribute enough that you really want to keep them versus those you think you can replace).

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                        • Ernie
                          Legend
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 8470

                          #13
                          Originally posted by whisper
                          They've had trouble evaluating DBs, big misses. Burns, Davis, Golson (who remembers him? 2nd rounder, worthless.)
                          I agree that we usually miss big on DBs. The Golsen miss was about him not being able to stay healthy. He was doing very well as a rook... getting a ton of starter reps in camp... then the injuries started piling up. Of course its all speculation... but i think Golsen had a good chance to stick.

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                          • Buzz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 8379

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ernie
                            I agree that we usually miss big on DBs. The Golsen miss was about him not being able to stay healthy. He was doing very well as a rook... getting a ton of starter reps in camp... then the injuries started piling up. Of course its all speculation... but i think Golsen had a good chance to stick.
                            Thankfully, we were able to pick up his undrafted college teammate.

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                            • whisper
                              Legend
                              • Mar 2020
                              • 9423

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ernie
                              I agree that we usually miss big on DBs. The Golsen miss was about him not being able to stay healthy. He was doing very well as a rook... getting a ton of starter reps in camp... then the injuries started piling up. Of course its all speculation... but i think Golsen had a good chance to stick.
                              As they say, "The most important ability is 'availability'." Were there signs in college he had higher injury risk?

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