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  • flippy
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    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    #31
    Originally posted by Moonie
    Perhaps neither of you know what a cliche is. Again, see Bellicheck comments after next week. He will give many examples of what a cliche is.

    "and things of that nature" would not be considered a cliche. It's more of a verbal tic, similar to "ya know?" or the famous Pittsburgh verbal tic "n'at." It's the way he talks, knaw what I'm sayin'?

    "boomerang" is not a NFL cliche that I'm aware of. The way Tomlin used it was as a metaphor, which does not make it a cliche. My subjective opinion is that it's not a bad metaphor for describing situations in which a player will receive a second chance, and better be ready or its will be his last.

    "unleash hell" - I'm sure Tomlin regrets this one, and has probably never used it again. Young coach learns his lesson about making predictions in the NFL. This seems to be very old news to be raised here continuously the way it is.

    "defend every blade of grass" - this may be a NFL cliche, but I doubt it rises to that level. Whatever it is, seems pretty mundane, and hardly worthy of criticism.

    The two Tomlin phrases that strangely neither of you cited are "the standard is the standard" and "next man up." The former may be a cliche now (and actually Tomlin may have invented it). It's also called a truism or tautology, which automatically makes it stupid to me, but by NFL standards, it's downright witty. "next man up" is probably the only consistent cliche I've seen Tomlin use.
    Now you have me convinced Tomlin is an English professor

    And I just thought he was cool.
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    • flippy
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      • Dec 2008
      • 17088

      #32
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      • whatever
        Legend
        • Sep 2019
        • 5789

        #33
        Originally posted by Moonie
        Perhaps neither of you know what a cliche is. Again, see Bellicheck comments after next week. He will give many examples of what a cliche is.

        "and things of that nature" would not be considered a cliche. It's more of a verbal tic, similar to "ya know?" or the famous Pittsburgh verbal tic "n'at." It's the way he talks, knaw what I'm sayin'?

        "boomerang" is not a NFL cliche that I'm aware of. The way Tomlin used it was as a metaphor, which does not make it a cliche. My subjective opinion is that it's not a bad metaphor for describing situations in which a player will receive a second chance, and better be ready or its will be his last.

        "unleash hell" - I'm sure Tomlin regrets this one, and has probably never used it again. Young coach learns his lesson about making predictions in the NFL. This seems to be very old news to be raised here continuously the way it is.

        "defend every blade of grass" - this may be a NFL cliche, but I doubt it rises to that level. Whatever it is, seems pretty mundane, and hardly worthy of criticism.

        The two Tomlin phrases that strangely neither of you cited are "the standard is the standard" and "next man up." The former may be a cliche now (and actually Tomlin may have invented it). It's also called a truism or tautology, which automatically makes it stupid to me, but by NFL standards, it's downright witty. "next man up" is probably the only consistent cliche I've seen Tomlin use.
        Kudos. I never would have put in that much effort.
        How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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        • SS Laser
          Pro Bowler
          • Apr 2009
          • 1928

          #34
          Tough schedule is looking very true. And the AFC north is looking very bad at this point or the 9'ers are for real.
          Only game with all the adversity so far this season that I hated to lose at home no less was the ratturds. Other then that the D was not ready or had all the pieces to challenge the pats. The Seattle game just had to much adversity to win. The 9'ers could be upper tier and they fought hard with no offense to win that game.

          With a healthy Big Ben this season is very different IMO, but would the aggressive moves have been made I wonder. Can't expect the SB with basically a "rookie" back up QB. It is even hard to expect the playoffs with said QB. But this defense does inspire some hope. And now the 3rd string true rookie. Really? Playoffs?
          Just like expectations were to high with a hot at times offense and below average defense IMO.

          Back to the regular scheduled bashing.

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          • hawaiiansteel
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            • May 2008
            • 35316

            #35

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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
              • 23985

              #36
              Originally posted by flippy

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27225

                #37
                You know what it is... lol
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • whatever
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2019
                  • 5789

                  #38
                  Originally posted by SS Laser
                  Tough schedule is looking very true. And the AFC north is looking very bad at this point or the 9'ers are for real.
                  Only game with all the adversity so far this season that I hated to lose at home no less was the ratturds. Other then that the D was not ready or had all the pieces to challenge the pats. The Seattle game just had to much adversity to win. The 9'ers could be upper tier and they fought hard with no offense to win that game.

                  With a healthy Big Ben this season is very different IMO, but would the aggressive moves have been made I wonder. Can't expect the SB with basically a "rookie" back up QB. It is even hard to expect the playoffs with said QB. But this defense does inspire some hope. And now the 3rd string true rookie. Really? Playoffs?
                  Just like expectations were to high with a hot at times offense and below average defense IMO.

                  Back to the regular scheduled bashing.
                  Man, if only this team would have been loaded with talent and healthy the last 6-8 years. Imagine all the playoffs wins and super bowls ....
                  Oh, nevermind
                  How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                  • ikestops85
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 3724

                    #39
                    I know, so many teams lose their franchise QB and still have the SB aspirations. I'm sure GB would if they lost Rodgers, NO would if Brees is gone for the year, Seattle would if Wilson went down, the Rams would without Goff, and NE most certainly would with Brady on the sidelines.

                    Now, could a miracle happen like it did in Philly a couple of years ago. Sure, but it takes a lot of luck and have the ball bounce your way to do it without that franchise QB. Of course I'd hate to think what the Philly fans would have said about the coach if that 4th down play didn't work. I'm sure they would be calling for his head ... just like folks across the state are doing.

                    I've thought Tomlin is a good coach. Not a great one. My estimation of him has lowered in the last few years because he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes. His clock management hasn't gotten any better and neither has his challenges. For those and other reasons I wouldn't be upset if the Steelers tried to go in a different direction where I would have 3 or 4 years ago.
                    As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                    but Go Steelers!!!

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                    • Ernie
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                      • Aug 2013
                      • 8470

                      #40
                      if we can get 1st round pick/s for tomlin.. im all for moving him.. and for the crowd that says "Who are we going to get thats better"? well let me ask this.. Who was Mike Tomlin when we hired him?

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                      • Mr.wizard
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                        • May 2014
                        • 6617

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Ernie
                        if we can get 1st round pick/s for tomlin.. im all for moving him.. and for the crowd that says "Who are we going to get thats better"? well let me ask this.. Who was Mike Tomlin when we hired him?
                        He was Mike Tomlin.

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                        • Steel Maniac
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 19472

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                          He was Mike Tomlin.
                          Nooooo..he was a no name nobody. Then later he became Mike Tomlin.

                          Ernie has made the point I've been saying. The inner circle of coaches and GM's know who the up and comers are. We as fans don't.
                          Colbert can and will put in the due diligence to find the proper (good) guy for the HC position.

                          Teams who keep wanting retread coaches from other teams seldom find the success they are looking for.

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                          • ikestops85
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 3724

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                            Nooooo..he was a no name nobody. Then later he became Mike Tomlin.

                            Ernie has made the point I've been saying. The inner circle of coaches and GM's know who the up and comers are. We as fans don't.
                            Colbert can and will put in the due diligence to find the proper (good) guy for the HC position.

                            Teams who keep wanting retread coaches from other teams seldom find the success they are looking for.
                            They might know who the up and comers are but that doesn't make them good head coaches. Just take a look at who the Browns and Dolphins have hired in the last decade or two. How about Jacksonville? Then there is Buffalo and Arizona. They've all gone through a myriad of coaches with the vast majority being horrible.

                            Now I'm not saying that means we don't look for a new coach. It just means that the odds of them being successful is not great. And by successful I mean pleasing to all of us Steeler fans.
                            As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                            but Go Steelers!!!

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                            • Steel Maniac
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 19472

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ikestops85
                              They might know who the up and comers are but that doesn't make them good head coaches. Just take a look at who the Browns and Dolphins have hired in the last decade or two. How about Jacksonville? Then there is Buffalo and Arizona. They've all gone through a myriad of coaches with the vast majority being horrible.

                              Now I'm not saying that means we don't look for a new coach. It just means that the odds of them being successful is not great. And by successful I mean pleasing to all of us Steeler fans.
                              I don't know; we've been pretty good at it so far. I trust in Colbert. Im not factoring in other teams failure track record in regards to finding a good head coach into our finding a good head coach. Most of those organizations are garbage and ours isn't.

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                              • papillon
                                Legend
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 11337

                                #45
                                If teams track the up and comers why do so many teams hire retread head coaches that have failed more than once? Woldn't you think if they knew who the new young bright football minds were they would hire one of them?

                                Pappy
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