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  • Steelwolf
    Pro Bowler
    • Jul 2014
    • 1294

    #31
    Originally posted by pittpete
    I wouldnt be disappointed if he hung it up and we started fresh with Mason and a new HC and DC...
    I don't care what color our next HC is, but we need a fresh start if Ben retires
    Agreed ben needs to retire, hes off more than hes on now these days . You can see it bright as day

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    • Ernie
      Legend
      • Aug 2013
      • 8470

      #32
      Originally posted by Oh wow
      A lot of Steele fans refuse to blame a vet like Ben for his terrible play.

      They often point to Brady and Bellicheat but Brady works his tail off and is always looking for an advantage.

      Ben? We congratulate him if he loses a few pounds in the offseason.

      He’s a sand lot player and had a lot of success but with new WR’s you can’t hold the ball and point guys open.
      ben was 2 of 12 on throws over 10 yards.. until very late in the game.. no doubt he was part of the problem last week

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      • Terrapin
        Pro Bowler
        • Sep 2017
        • 2081

        #33
        Ben needs to be better. Actually with this WR corp, he needs to be a lot better. Maybe instead of throwing the ball, he can run out 15 yards and hand the ball to Moncrief. Dante should be able to hold onto at least 50% of them

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        • Oh wow
          Hall of Famer
          • Mar 2019
          • 2753

          #34
          Originally posted by Ernie
          ben was 2 of 12 on throws over 10 yards.. until very late in the game.. no doubt he was part of the problem last week
          I don’t know if Ben was trying to help Moncrief or break him.

          Just seems like at some point you have to stop throwing his direction.

          Maybe he is hurt but his catch rate in Jacksonville was 54%.

          I was worried about our WR’s and so far they haven’t shown me they are ready.

          I also think folks on here downplayed elite talent at skill positions. Ben can’t make average WR’s into dynamic play makers.

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          • Eich
            Legend
            • Jul 2010
            • 7044

            #35
            Does it seem to anyone else that Ben is often trying to complete low percentage passes? The ones where you have to have perfect timing, dropping the ball over a shoulder. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just perception, but when I watch Brady and Brees, they seem to throw easier passes to complete, more often. It could be because they make it look easier. Whatever the case, Ben's timing with his receivers seems to take a long time to dial in.

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            • whatever
              Legend
              • Sep 2019
              • 5795

              #36
              Originally posted by Oh wow
              I don’t know if Ben was trying to help Moncrief or break him.

              Just seems like at some point you have to stop throwing his direction.

              Maybe he is hurt but his catch rate in Jacksonville was 54%.

              I was worried about our WR’s and so far they haven’t shown me they are ready.

              I also think folks on here downplayed elite talent at skill positions. Ben can’t make average WR’s into dynamic play makers.
              How many teams have more elite talent than us?
              How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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              • Terrapin
                Pro Bowler
                • Sep 2017
                • 2081

                #37
                Originally posted by whatever
                How many teams have more elite talent than us?
                NE
                KC
                Houston
                San Diego
                Cleveland

                Dallas
                Philly
                Minnesota
                Green Bay
                LA Rams
                New Orleans
                Atlanta

                Those are all almost definite. One could argue for other teams also (Seattle, Carolina, etc)

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                • Steel Maniac
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 19472

                  #38
                  When I looked at the Texans last night , just seeing Hopkins, Fuller and Stills shows you why their so explosive.
                  J.J. Watt is done thou...
                  He's living on past glory.

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                    J.J. Watt is done thou...
                    He's living on past glory.


                    Dude was consistently double-teamed last night (much like his brother was the night before).

                    After completely dominating the league for his first 5 seasons, his 2016 and 2017 were severely limited by injury, but he bounced back last year with another 16 sack season.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Northern_Blitz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 24373

                      #40
                      Originally posted by whatever
                      How many teams have more elite talent than us?
                      I think this might come down to what elite means.

                      If it's something like top 10% of starters at a position, I'm not sure we have anyone who classifies as elite anymore.

                      I think that AB and Bell were in that category at their peak. Maybe Ben at his peak (but I don't know if he's ever been a top 3 guy, maybe he was behind only Brady and Manning at some point). Maybe JuJu if we think "starters" includes 3 WRs / team.

                      On D...maybe Heyward (if he counts as a DT). Hopefully Watt, but I don't think he's there yet.

                      Who do you think we have on the current roster that's "elite"? And how do you define elite?

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                      • whatever
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2019
                        • 5795

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Terrapin
                        NE
                        KC
                        Houston
                        San Diego
                        Cleveland

                        Dallas
                        Philly
                        Minnesota
                        Green Bay
                        LA Rams
                        New Orleans
                        Atlanta

                        Those are all almost definite. One could argue for other teams also (Seattle, Carolina, etc)
                        I'm not seeing it.
                        I don't see any team that superior to ours. I see a list of teams with comparable skill guys.
                        How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                        • whatever
                          Legend
                          • Sep 2019
                          • 5795

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          I think this might come down to what elite means.

                          If it's something like top 10% of starters at a position, I'm not sure we have anyone who classifies as elite anymore.

                          I think that AB and Bell were in that category at their peak. Maybe Ben at his peak (but I don't know if he's ever been a top 3 guy, maybe he was behind only Brady and Manning at some point). Maybe JuJu if we think "starters" includes 3 WRs / team.

                          On D...maybe Heyward (if he counts as a DT). Hopefully Watt, but I don't think he's there yet.

                          Who do you think we have on the current roster that's "elite"? And how do you define elite?
                          My definition is going to be different than anybody else's.
                          I don't use the term elite for any player.
                          I can however use top 5 or top 10 as a measuring stick for talent levels. Based on that, I say this team has, and had, more talent than most teams.
                          How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                          • Oh wow
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Mar 2019
                            • 2753

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Terrapin
                            NE
                            KC
                            Houston
                            San Diego
                            Cleveland

                            Dallas
                            Philly
                            Minnesota
                            Green Bay
                            LA Rams
                            New Orleans
                            Atlanta

                            Those are all almost definite. One could argue for other teams also (Seattle, Carolina, etc)
                            I would take Atlanta and Green Bay off that list

                            I think we had elite talent at one point with the Killer B’s, Shazier and Heyward but I think our D doesn’t have elite talent at any position right now. Good players but no game changers yet. Watt, Bush, Hargrave and maybe a healthy Tuitt definitely have a chance to return us to glory with some good play this year.

                            Offense it’s JuJu (hopefully) and maybe Ben if he can get these WR’s on the same page.

                            I just think folks were so bitter at AB and Bell that they lied to themselves and said they were only successful because of the players around them.

                            What some fail to realize is elite players make other players look better as well.

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                            • flippy
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 17088

                              #44
                              Can we just start over? When you have guys like Chickillo and Moncrief making your roster, something is wrong.
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                              • Steel Maniac
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 19472

                                #45
                                Moncrief is a big , big disappointment. I was wrong about him. But the rookie needs to start next week.

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