Fire Mike Tomlin

[BURGH86STEEL]

Are you really worried that this organization couldn't hire a coach capable of winning 3 playoffs games in 8 years with a loaded roster?
One could almost make a claim that people that have this view of Tomlin 'can't be replaced with someone better' don't think much of the organization's ability to function without him.

8 out of 12 years (not including this season) the Steelers were in the playoffs with MT as coach. That's probably better than 28 to 30 other teams in the league.

The team could very well hire another coach that could bring them that kind of success. The odds would certainly be against that new coach. They could hire a new coach and become a worse team. IMO no point changing what's been consistently successful.

Loaded roster? I wonder if people really believe some of the stuff they type? The best teams don't always win for any number of reasons. Player execution is always the main factor in the success of a team. The people that run the organization understand that factor. That's why MT has been with the Steelers for 13 years.

The only coach that's clearly been better than MT is BB. BB has been better than every one so.....

MT is certainly in the discussion for 2nd place behind BB.

[BURGH86STEEL]

3 wins in 8 years, 3 wins in 8 years...

I’m starting to see a pattern here.

I think someone is trying to pull a Kevin Durant.

It's called cherry picking.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

the who we gonna get crowd always makes me laugh

this steelers are pretty good at finding good young coaches. when ben goes, they need to flush tomlin right on out the door

and anyone putting mike tomlin and bill bellichek in the same sentence when comparing coaching ability needs their head examined

[Oh wow]

It's called cherry picking.

I know if you go to 10 years it involves a SB run which would kill the playoff win argument.

[Oh wow]

If we fired Tomlin how long would Tomlin get credit for the wins the new coach had with Tomlin’s players?

[Steel Maniac]

the who we gonna get crowd always makes me laugh

this steelers are pretty good at finding good young coaches. when ben goes, they need to flush tomlin right on out the door

and anyone putting mike tomlin and bill bellichek in the same sentence when comparing coaching ability needs their head examined

This fear of the unknown from these grown men is staggering. Colbert is capable of finding a good coach. Tomlin isn’t in hoody’s zip code.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Colbert does not make head coach hiring decisions here. Rooney does.

Besides...Colbert, who is 15 years older than Tomlin, will be retired by the time we have to hire a new head coach.

[Starlifter]

just some random musings....

I think tomlin is a very good coach. I don't think he's a great coach. I think if the Steelers fired him, he'd be out of a job for about 4 minutes. I think he found his 'groove' around the second year, and hasn't changed a thing since. I think the book has been out on the steelers for some time and tomlins teams are not considered fresh nor innovative. I think other than the rats or the bungles - tomlins teams aren't thought of as physically intimidating. I think he'll probably continue to have a winning record. I think we will have another slow september start. I think the team will improve as the year goes on. I think i'm not confident in a playoff spot this year. I think if the steelers miss again this year and next it's a slam dunk they get forced on hard knocks.

but what I think doesn't mean squat. It only matters what Art Jr. thinks.

[BURGH86STEEL]

This fear of the unknown from these grown men is staggering. Colbert is capable of finding a good coach. Tomlin isn’t in hoody’s zip code.

There is no fear of the unknown. Nothing wrong with living with realistic expectations.

No coach that's coaching today is in BB zip code. No coach in the history of the league is in his zip code. Every coach falls short of what BB coached teams accomplished in the Superbowl era.

[Northern_Blitz]

This fear of the unknown from these grown men is staggering. Colbert is capable of finding a good coach. Tomlin isn’t in hoody’s zip code.

Do you ever play roulette?

Not betting 00 isn't an act of fear. It's an understanding of probability.

Maybe you would be interest to listen to this interview with former pro poker player Billy Murphy.

https://affordanything.com/56-what-professional-poker-taught-me-about-running-a-7-figure-business-the-expected-value-formula-with-billy-murphy/

It's basically about using statistics to understand expected value. Then using that information to not make decisions with negative expected value. This is basically how pros play poker. They understand the probability of different outcomes and use the probability of winning to determine whether the return (based on pot size) is worth the cost of continuing to play.

I also don't see how people don't see that quality of replacement coaches is highest at the beginning of the off season (before the best options get hired) and worst during the season (when you only have people that other teams didn't want to hire).

If you want to fire Tomin AND still be competitive. The early off season is the time to fire him. Not after week 1 when we'd probably have head HC Keith Butler and DC Teryl Austin (or maybe vice versa). I don't see how anyone would think that's improving the team.

[Northern_Blitz]

but what I think doesn't mean squat. It only matters what Art Jr. thinks.

This is ultimately the bottom line.

[whatever]

3 wins in 8 years, 3 wins in 8 years...

I’m starting to see a pattern here.

I think someone is trying to pull a Kevin Durant.

To me its more relevant than getting all tingly because Tomlin never finishing below .500 for a regular season.
Just admit you are a fan of Tomlin and his regular season record is more important to you than playoffs success.

[whatever]

just some random musings....

I think tomlin is a very good coach. I don't think he's a great coach. I think if the Steelers fired him, he'd be out of a job for about 4 minutes. I think he found his 'groove' around the second year, and hasn't changed a thing since. I think the book has been out on the steelers for some time and tomlins teams are not considered fresh nor innovative. I think other than the rats or the bungles - tomlins teams aren't thought of as physically intimidating. I think he'll probably continue to have a winning record. I think we will have another slow september start. I think the team will improve as the year goes on. I think i'm not confident in a playoff spot this year. I think if the steelers miss again this year and next it's a slam dunk they get forced on hard knocks.

but what I think doesn't mean squat. It only matters what Art Jr. thinks.

Do you think Tomlin would have the same success with the Bills as he has had with the Steelers?
Do you think a coach like Philbin, Jay Gruden or Shanahan would do better in Pitt than they did with their teams?

[Starlifter]

Do you think Tomlin would have the same success with the Bills as he has had with the Steelers?
Do you think a coach like Philbin, Jay Gruden or Shanahan would do better in Pitt than they did with their teams?

no to all of those. as I said, I think he's a very good coach. It will be difficult to find someone who is better. That being said, I've been off his bandwagon for several years now - largely for the fact that some of the things he does over and over and over (such as not playing the starters in camp and generally having slow septembers) end up costing the team at the end of the year. I think he's smart but I don't think he's innovative. I think he's tough, but his defenses haven't intimidated anyone in quite awhile.

he's really really good at what he does. I just don't think he's great. I prefer great.

who out there is great? that's the million dollar question. This is a fan board so we can beat the crap out of each other for daring to express opinions - but in my fantasy world, I'd like to see josh mcdaniel's running the offense and rex ryan running the defense. As to HC? not rex of course - but I have always liked his swagger when it comes to defense. btw, his book on defense is a great read if you have days to kill with nothing to do!

although now that I think of it, Josh and Rex together might just have the formula for BB.

[BURGH86STEEL]

To me its more relevant than getting all tingly because Tomlin never finishing below .500 for a regular season.
Just admit you are a fan of Tomlin and his regular season record is more important to you than playoffs success.

Teams have to win in the regular season to make the playoffs and ultimately compete for the Superbowl.

It's extremely difficult to win the Supberbowl. A lot has to go right. As a fan I will take the non losing seasons until the Steelers can put a team together that's good enough to win the Superbowl again.

Maybe you would prefer to have losing seasons until the Steelers can put a team together that's good enough to win the Superbowl again?