Fire Mike Tomlin

[whatever]

Excellent post and I'm sure the Tomlin haters won't touch it

This is easy.
All underachievers.
Not to the degree Tomlin is tho.
Those other coaches didn't have near the overall talent as Tomlin has had.

[Oh wow]

I’m sure whatever is an expert and overachiever in his area of expertise.

[SteelDecipher]

Excellent post and I'm sure the Tomlin haters won't touch it

I'm definitely in the not a fan of Tomlin category. I think he is highly limited as a coach, and all the things he's doing today have been exhibited since the beginning.

Anyway- on that list

Shula and Marino- imo, is a reflection of that team being so singularly faceted, much like Coryell and Fouts, that they struggled severely when an opponent could defend their passing game.

Reeves and Elway. Well, that is a tough one. The Broncos teams arguablly had the talent across the board to win, but didn't. That likely falls upon the shoulders of the QB and the HC

Levy's Bills were loaded. In reality, minus the crazy loss to the Giants, their losses are specific reflection of having to play against one of the most talented teams of all time, in the 90s Cowboys

Grant- I was pretty young during the Grant and Tarkenton era- and while I definitely recall watching that team (keeping in mind back then it was your 2 or 3 games a week and that was all you'd see) anyhow- the game was very different back then. The QB wasn't nearly as important, in that the defense could absolutely crush receivers, and take away the passing game. Also, I'd go so far as to say- while Tarkenton was a lot of fun to watch, he wasn't necessarily the greatest of QBs- and if forced to make a knee jerk assessment, I'd say their OLine strugged to protect him. Fran was always a scrambling fool.

That's all I've got-

:cheers:

[Disco1981]

Excellent post and I'm sure the Tomlin haters won't touch it

I'll bite...Can only speak for myself but, I never used the HOF QB reference in connection with Popcorn...

You bring up valid points,and even though I knew all these teams and watched them...I never watched them week to week to convey a fair assessment...

Now Tomlin I can...

Terrible in-game Coach
Terrible with Clock management, timeouts, and challenges
Constantly playing down to inferior opponents
Terrible Defenses during his entire tenure...
Specifically DB's, presumedly his forte

Inability to keep a structured Lockeroom

I'm sure the other Coaches you mentioned had weaknesses, But not as many as Tomlin...jmo

[whatever]

I'm definitely in the not a fan of Tomlin category. I think he is highly limited as a coach, and all the things he's doing today have been exhibited since the beginning.

Anyway- on that list

Shula and Marino- imo, is a reflection of that team being so singularly faceted, much like Coryell and Fouts, that they struggled severely when an opponent could defend their passing game.

Reeves and Elway. Well, that is a tough one. The Broncos teams arguablly had the talent across the board to win, but didn't. That likely falls upon the shoulders of the QB and the HC

Levy's Bills were loaded. In reality, minus the crazy loss to the Giants, their losses are specific reflection of having to play against one of the most talented teams of all time, in the 90s Cowboys

Grant- I was pretty young during the Grant and Tarkenton era- and while I definitely recall watching that team (keeping in mind back then it was your 2 or 3 games a week and that was all you'd see) anyhow- the game was very different back then. The QB wasn't nearly as important, in that the defense could absolutely crush receivers, and take away the passing game. Also, I'd go so far as to say- while Tarkenton was a lot of fun to watch, he wasn't necessarily the greatest of QBs- and if forced to make a knee jerk assessment, I'd say their OLine strugged to protect him. Fran was always a scrambling fool.

That's all I've got-

:cheers:

Awesome.
Yup, Levy took his team as far as he could. Losing to a better team in the super bowl is far better than going 3 wins in 8 years while mostly being eliminated by inferior teams.

[whatever]

I’m sure whatever is an expert and overachiever in his area of expertise.

IDK about all that BUT I do know that I didn't get to where I am at with the, " I'm cool with losing as long as they try" attitude.

[NJ-STEELER]

The rule ONLY ensures ONE minority gets an interview. Why is that so hard to grasp?

I have to admit THIS is the best argument yet.

Too bad it like the others, are 100 percent baseless speculation.

and you know what the rule was intended for, right?
sorry, if you can't read between the lines.
it was made to promote more minorities into the coaching ranks

sooo, the person that comes up with the rule interviews but doesn't hire a minority.
yeah, that would have just been swell with the other owners
hahah

[BURGH86STEEL]

Coaching is generally only as good as the players they coach.

[Captain Lemming]

This is easy.
All underachievers.
Not to the degree Tomlin is tho.
Those other coaches didn't have near the overall talent as Tomlin has had.

Marv Levy? Really?
His teams were more complete than our SB winners, nevermind our recent teams

Ditto Grants Vikings.

Not only did they have top talent, they had NO weaknesses.

[hawaiiansteel]

Ditto Grants Vikings.

Not only did they have top talent, they had NO weaknesses.

well, they had one major weakness. they couldn't win a Super Bowl...

[BURGH86STEEL]

well, they had one major weakness. they couldn't win a Super Bowl...

Sometimes teams lose to teams that perform better or teams don't have enough luck on their side.

[NorthCoast]

Sometimes teams lose to teams that perform better or teams don't have enough luck on their side.

Or the have a HC with a brain fart ... aka Atlanta SB against NE... should have been an easy win but Quinn lost his mind at the end of the game.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'll bite...Can only speak for myself but, I never used the HOF QB reference in connection with Popcorn...

You bring up valid points,and even though I knew all these teams and watched them...I never watched them week to week to convey a fair assessment...

Now Tomlin I can...

Terrible in-game Coach
Terrible with Clock management, timeouts, and challenges
Constantly playing down to inferior opponents
Terrible Defenses during his entire tenure...
Specifically DB's, presumedly his forte

Inability to keep a structured Lockeroom

I'm sure the other Coaches you mentioned had weaknesses, But not as many as Tomlin...jmo

I think this illustrates the issue pretty well.

Many of us (myself included) watch all the Steelers games and little of the rest of the league.

Because we see all of Tomlin's mistake (and are emotionally invested in them) we think he makes way more mistakes than other coaches.

I'd say we'd see that in the record if it were true.

[Oh wow]

How can Tomlin be this terrible and have such a high winning percentage?

Black magic I tell ya!!!

[Oh wow]

I think this illustrates the issue pretty well.

Many of us (myself included) watch all the Steelers games and little of the rest of the league.

Because we see all of Tomlin's mistake (and are emotionally invested in them) we think he makes way more mistakes than other coaches.

I'd say we'd see that in the record if it were true.

Emotional connection is pretty much what it comes down to.

Can you imagine if we called a pass in both the SB losses the Falcons and Seahags had to the Pats?

Forever roasted.

We are mad at them years later and we aren’t even fans of those teams.

We don’t nit pick other coaches because we aren’t invested in them.

I bet if we were Seahawk fans we would still be crying about only having 2 SB trips with the legion of boom. Should’ve have 4 or 5.. at least.