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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #46
    In this draft, the sweet spot for a lot of the players we have shown interest in seems to be in the area right around the bottom half of round 2 through the top half of round 3.

    Expected to go around this time are multiple quality linebackers (Germaine Pratt, Chase Winovich), safeties (Darnell Savage, Amani Hooker), corners (Lonnie Johnson, Justin Layne), wideouts (Hakeem Butler, Miles Boykin), running backs (Darrell Henderson, David Montgomery), and tight ends (Josh Oliver, Jace Sternberger).

    Rather than using our extra draft picks as ammunition to move up in round 1, perhaps we could use some of that draft capital to try to obtain more picks in this late 2nd-early 3rd area instead. Our pals up in New England have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (SIX!!!) and they tend to like to be wheelers and dealers on draft day. I would like to attempt to target their picks at the end of round 2 and the 9th pick in round 3 (#73 overall) which originally belonged to Detroit.

    We could offer them our pick in the middle of round 2 (#52), our pick in the middle of round 4 (#122), our pick that we got from the Raiders in the early portion of round 5 (#141), and CB Artie Burns in exchange for their picks at the end of round 2 (#64) and the pick they got from the Lions in the early portion of round 3 (#73).

    Points-wise:
    2.52 + 4.122 + 5.141 = 465.5 points
    2.64 + 3.73 = 495 points
    NE seems to like to try to rehabilitate former first round pick reclamation projects (and they could use an influx of talent at the corner spot), so including Artie Burns in the deal might be able to essentially make up for that nearly 30 point difference in the math.

    If Devin Bush and Brian Burns come off the board before pick #20, we could stay patient and use that pick on someone like CB Byron Murphy. Adding Steven Nelson and Byron Murphy to Joe Haden and Mike Hilton would turn CB from a relative weakness to somewhat of a strength for the first time in forever. We'd have an heir apparent for Haden (who now 30 years old and entering his 10th season on the NFL, which is the last year of his current contract) on board to learn from him. Plus, Artie Burns would also be completely expendable as a result of this selection, which helps to make this deal possible. Then use those 4 (FOUR!!!)picks we'd now have from the end of round 2 to the middle of round 3 to add additional help at safety, linebacker, wideout, etc.

    After this deal, we still end up with 9 picks overall: a first, a second, 3 thirds, 3 sixths, and a seventh.

    The haul could potentially look something like this:

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
    2.64 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
    3.66 ILB Germaine Pratt, N.C. State 6-2 240
    3.73 OLB Chase Winovich, Michigan 6-3 252
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego State 6-5 252
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
    6.207 C/G Lamont Gaillard, Georgia 6-2 304
    7.219 RB Kerrith Whyte, Florida Atlantic 5-10 197
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • fordfixer
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 10921

      #47
      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
      Our pals up in New England have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (SIX!!!) and they tend to like to be wheelers and dealers on draft day.
      It would not surprise me to see them trade up to get your man crush TE to replace Gronk.

      Molon labe

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      ?We're not going to apologize for winning.?
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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        #48
        Originally posted by fordfixer
        It would not surprise me to see them trade up to get your man crush TE to replace Gronk.
        Why should they when they can get a stud like Foster Moreau from LSU? Plus, they will see Hakeem Butler right there at the bottom of the first round there for the taking or they could trade back and land Boykins.

        Knowing them, they'll trade back a bit and pick up another 2nd /3rd round picks for next year. Bastards.

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        • RuthlessBurgher
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 33208

          #49
          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
          Why should they when they can get a stud like Foster Moreau from LSU? Plus, they will see Hakeem Butler right there at the bottom of the first round there for the taking or they could trade back and land Boykins.

          Knowing them, they'll trade back a bit and pick up another 2nd /3rd round picks for next year. Bastards.
          Foster Moreau will be a quality backup blocking TE in this league, but that's about all. Dude has never caught 25 passes in a season. He's never gained 300 yards in the season. The most TD's he caught in one year is 3.

          In 4 years combined at LSU, he has 52 catches for 629 yards and 6 TD's. Moreau's 4 year combined total is essentially Gronk's production is half a season with NE.
          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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          • RuthlessBurgher
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 33208

            #50
            I made some minor tweaks to my current sig mock today:

            Plan A: Trade up to early 1st for ILB Devin White or TE T.J. Hockenson

            Plan B:
            1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
            2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker, Georgia 6-2 251
            3.66 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
            3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
            4.122 ILB David Long, WVU 5-11 227
            5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama 6-4 308
            6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego St 6-5 252
            6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
            6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska 5-11 222
            7.219 DE Albert Huggins, Clemson 6-3 305
            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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            • Steel Maniac
              Banned
              • Apr 2017
              • 19472

              #51
              Originally posted by SidSmythe
              Can someone tell me why Ben Burr Kirven is never mentioned on this board?? Immediate Upgrade over Dirty Red.
              Projected 6th Round.
              Dirty Red should of been off this team. Too unauthentic.

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              • Steel Maniac
                Banned
                • Apr 2017
                • 19472

                #52
                Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                He tested well at combine 40 4.56 3 cone 6.85 but I'm not so sure he will play lb at the next level he may be more productive as a hybrid box S. Tackles well but has physical limitations. League is going to hybrids so he may fit in well somewhere. Will he get drafted ? Perhaps but regardless he'll be at a camp and get a shot. Watched a little tape and not highlights n he does a bunch of stuff well once he recognizes the play. Bit slow on recognition imho but that can be improved upon. Is he an upgrade over Dirty Red ? IDK at the next level he'll need to take on 325lb guards which could be an issue. You can't run around blocks at next level all the time so that will be a large test for BBK.
                Speed and tackling ability should allow him to be productive on special teams. Like Red he'll need to perform there first in order to land a roster spot somewhere.
                Thanks Iron.

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                • RuthlessBurgher
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                  Dirty Red should of been off this team. Too unauthentic.
                  What the hell is calling a player unauthentic supposed to mean?

                  I'm not picking on you, so don't get your panties in a bunch over it, but I literally have no idea what that is supposed to convey.

                  What player quality makes someone authentic or not?
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • Steel Maniac
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 19472

                    #54
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                    Last edited by Steel Maniac; 04-19-2019, 06:25 PM.

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                    • hawaiiansteel
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 35649

                      #55
                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      I made some minor tweaks to my current sig mock today:

                      Plan A: Trade up to early 1st for ILB Devin White or TE T.J. Hockenson

                      Plan B:
                      1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
                      2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker, Georgia 6-2 251
                      3.66 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
                      3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
                      4.122 ILB David Long, WVU 5-11 227
                      5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama 6-4 308
                      6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego St 6-5 252
                      6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
                      6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska 5-11 222
                      7.219 DE Albert Huggins, Clemson 6-3 305
                      Alex Kozora
                      @Alex_Kozora

                      I had Savage to Pittsburgh at 52 in pen but I don't think he's going to fall that far anymore.

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                      • fordfixer
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 10921

                        #56
                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        What the hell is calling a player unauthentic supposed to mean?

                        I'm not picking on you, so don't get your panties in a bunch over it, but I literally have no idea what that is supposed to convey.

                        What player quality makes someone authentic or not?
                        IDK Anyone????

                        Molon labe

                        People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell

                        ?We're not going to apologize for winning.?
                        Mike Tomlin

                        American metal pimped by asiansteel
                        Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you 1. Jesus Christ, 2.The American G.I., One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

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                        • SidSmythe
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4708

                          #57
                          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                          What the hell is calling a player unauthentic supposed to mean?

                          I'm not picking on you, so don't get your panties in a bunch over it, but I literally have no idea what that is supposed to convey.

                          What player quality makes someone authentic or not?
                          I think he means he's not a true redhead??
                          Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                          Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                          Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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                          • hawaiiansteel
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 35649

                            #58
                            Originally posted by SidSmythe
                            I think he means he's not a true redhead??

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #59
                              It's now officially draft week, so I'm putting out what I think should be my final mocks in pen rather than pencil (I suppose if some big news breaks between Monday and Thursday of this week, I might have to make some tweaks, but I'm hoping these are my last mocks for the 2019 draft season).

                              I'm going with two mocks here, one if Devin White falls down to #8 or #9 and we are able to trade up with Detroit or Buffalo for him, and then another if we stay put and use all 10 of our picks as they currently stand. I'm also challenging myself to not use any of the same players. If I picked a guy in the stay-put mock, he's not eligible for the trade-up mock and vice versa. Just makes it more fun to add a bit more variety that way, I think.

                              And although I had a mock earlier in which I chose multiple players from the same school within one mock (the infamous "Noah's Ark" edition), I'm also trying to not even use the same school more than once here. I was going to put Georgia center/guard prospect Lamont Gaillard in my trade-up mock, but I already had Georgia OLB D'Andre Walker in my stay-put mock, so I opted for Wisconsin guard Bean Benzschawel to be my later-round interior OL depth pick in that mock instead.

                              Here goes...


                              Option 1: Trade up with Detroit (1.8) or Buffalo (1.9) if ILB Devin White is still available there. Offer picks 1.20, 2.52, and a 3rd round pick in 2020.

                              1.8 ILB Devin White, LSU 6-0 237
                              3.66 OLB Chase Winovich, Michigan 6-3 252
                              3.83 S Amani Hooker, Iowa 6-0 210
                              4.122 TE Dawson Knox, Ole Miss 6-4 254
                              5.141 CB Kris Boyd, Texas 5-11 201
                              6.175 WR Keelan Doss, UC Davis 6-3 212
                              6.192 G Beau Benzschawel, Wisconsin 6-6 309
                              6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte, Florida Atlantic 5-10 197
                              7.219 DE Armon Watts, Arkansas 6-5 300

                              Option 2: Stay put and pick 10 guys at our current draft positions

                              1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
                              2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker, Georgia 6-2 251
                              3.66 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
                              3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
                              4.122 ILB David Long, WVU 5-11 227
                              5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama 6-4 308
                              6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego St 6-5 252
                              6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
                              6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska 5-11 222
                              7.219 DE Albert Huggins, Clemson 6-3 305
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                              • Oviedo
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 23824

                                #60
                                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                                It's now officially draft week, so I'm putting out what I think should be my final mocks in pen rather than pencil (I suppose if some big news breaks between Monday and Thursday of this week, I might have to make some tweaks, but I'm hoping these are my last mocks for the 2019 draft season).

                                I'm going with two mocks here, one if Devin White falls down to #8 or #9 and we are able to trade up with Detroit or Buffalo for him, and then another if we stay put and use all 10 of our picks as they currently stand. I'm also challenging myself to not use any of the same players. If I picked a guy in the stay-put mock, he's not eligible for the trade-up mock and vice versa. Just makes it more fun to add a bit more variety that way, I think.

                                And although I had a mock earlier in which I chose multiple players from the same school within one mock (the infamous "Noah's Ark" edition), I'm also trying to not even use the same school more than once here. I was going to put Georgia center/guard prospect Lamont Gaillard in my trade-up mock, but I already had Georgia OLB D'Andre Walker in my stay-put mock, so I opted for Wisconsin guard Bean Benzschawel to be my later-round interior OL depth pick in that mock instead.

                                Here goes...


                                Option 1: Trade up with Detroit (1.8) or Buffalo (1.9) if ILB Devin White is still available there. Offer picks 1.20, 2.52, and a 3rd round pick in 2020.

                                1.8 ILB Devin White, LSU 6-0 237
                                3.66 OLB Chase Winovich, Michigan 6-3 252
                                3.83 S Amani Hooker, Iowa 6-0 210
                                4.122 TE Dawson Knox, Ole Miss 6-4 254
                                5.141 CB Kris Boyd, Texas 5-11 201
                                6.175 WR Keelan Doss, UC Davis 6-3 212
                                6.192 G Beau Benzschawel, Wisconsin 6-6 309
                                6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte, Florida Atlantic 5-10 197
                                7.219 DE Armon Watts, Arkansas 6-5 300

                                Option 2: Stay put and pick 10 guys at our current draft positions

                                1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
                                2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker, Georgia 6-2 251
                                3.66 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
                                3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
                                4.122 ILB David Long, WVU 5-11 227
                                5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama 6-4 308
                                6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego St 6-5 252
                                6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
                                6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska 5-11 222
                                7.219 DE Albert Huggins, Clemson 6-3 305
                                Love your Option 1. I would be thrilled if that is what happens
                                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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