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  • RuthlessBurgher
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 33208

    Steelers' leaders make sense of 'circus' surrounding team

    12:00 AM ET

    Jeremy Fowler
    ESPN Staff Writer

    PITTSBURGH -- The sanctity of the Pittsburgh Steelers' locker room has been under attack after a two-year avalanche of storylines that prompted two players to deem their domain a Kardashian-inspired reality show.

    Keeping Up With The Steelers has broadcast just about everything: national anthem disputes, Gatorade cooler attacks, yearlong holdouts, bold predictions, Week 17 walkouts and a love-hate relationship between the game's best pass-catching duo.

    When team president Art Rooney II met with local reporters last month, one of his first questions, and rightfully so, was about the perception that his team is a "circus." Rooney didn't agree, calling the notion "nonsense" as far as he's concerned.

    The Steelers' locker room is filled with mostly exemplary, hard-working players. But the team could have avoided some of these issues, too.

    From ownership to team captains, Steelers leaders have tried to reconcile those two realities.

    Defensive end and captain Cameron Heyward admitted that the Steelers dealt with a lot internally, and some outside factors that were uncontrollable, such as Le'Veon Bell's holdout. Some situations were handled better than others, he said.

    "I think we took a lot of good steps. It’s about younger guys becoming better professionals and being comfortable in what they are asked to do," Heyward said. "The light didn’t click for me right away. ... Just gotta grow, put the petty stuff behind us. It’s not always going to be dandelions and daisies.

    "But getting over our problems, being communicative and understanding we have to work through our problems -- that’s what growth takes. You can’t continue to do the same thing and expect the same results. That goes for the whole organization. I’m not saying one person."

    Finishing games was the biggest issue in the eyes of Heyward. The Steelers' final four losses were by a combined 16 points. Despite the league's sixth-ranked total defense, a unit that tied for the league lead with 52 sacks, the slow bleed at the end of games was concerning.

    The Steelers gave up a late scoring drive in all four of those November and December losses. Only more turnovers will "shut the door" on teams, Heyward said.

    The Steelers are keeping defensive coordinator Keith Butler, who has one year left on his contract. He'll replace Joey Porter as outside linebackers coach.

    Heyward stressed that coaching isn't the issue.

    "Coaches can only do so much. Up to the players to execute," he said. "I want to lead this group and do what’s right. It’s up to the players to execute the jobs they give us. I think our game plans are great. If we don’t execute and do what we should all the time, there’s room for error."

    After the Steelers missed the playoffs for the first time since 2013, center and captain Maurkice Pouncey defended the team culture and said he wants to bring teammates together. At the Pro Bowl, Pouncey spent several minutes stressing why he believes Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown can coexist, downplaying any Week 17 flare-up and highlighting the duo's accomplishments as two future Hall of Famers.

    "At the end of the day, things will get worked out. I honestly, truly believe that," Pouncey said.

    Pouncey has been one of coach Mike Tomlin's most ardent supporters over the years, and 2019 could be one of Tomlin's toughest tests yet. He'll likely be without Bell, this time for good, and if Brown returns, the All-Pro wideout and his coach will have issues to mend -- and potentially new parameters to set to curb misbehavior.

    But the way Pouncey sees it, there's no palpable tension inside his locker room from day to day.

    "I don’t care what anybody else on the outside has to say. We’re all really good friends," Pouncey said. "It’s not like no one talks to each other. You know what kind of organization, what kind of team we have."

    The onus is on Rooney to sort through what happened at the end of the season, decide on Brown's future and guide the Steelers into 2019.

    Diverse personalities inside the building are nothing new in Pittsburgh, as Rooney knows from decades of experience. Juggling those personalities mostly worked in recent years -- until it didn't.

    "You know, I’ve been around a lot of football players for a lot of years. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors," Rooney said. "Look, we work hard to try and bring people here who we think are a good fit, but people are different, and we’ve had some different characters here and there over the years. Bottom line is I’m disappointed by what happened at the end of the season, and if there are lessons to be learned here, we’ll look at that and see if we can do better."

    Rooney recognized that the tenor of 2018 would have been far different if the Steelers had improved in two basic areas: turnover margin (minus-11) and kicking (seven missed field goals). Pittsburgh ranked among the league's worst in both categories. It's difficult to win more than nine games that way.

    Rooney praised the defensive front seven's ability to get quarterback pressure but wants to see the secondary improve -- and the entire defense protect leads.

    "On defense, we just have to be aggressive in taking the ball away and finding players that can do that," Rooney said of turnover margin. "So I think that is something you can improve, and we need to do that. On the offensive side, ball security is something that we talk about a lot. We had some key fumbles and key interceptions at bad times, and those things lead to losing games, so those are areas where we can improve on, among others. But just to name a couple which are things we have to be better at."

    It's always more than a couple issues, of course. The Steelers believe they will be back, but it's an open secret that many players in the locker room would prefer a drama-free, football-focused environment in 2019.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/30081/steelers-leaders-make-sense-of-circus
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
      Steelers' leaders make sense of 'circus' surrounding team

      12:00 AM ET

      Jeremy Fowler
      ESPN Staff Writer

      PITTSBURGH -- The sanctity of the Pittsburgh Steelers' locker room has been under attack after a two-year avalanche of storylines that prompted two players to deem their domain a Kardashian-inspired reality show.

      Keeping Up With The Steelers has broadcast just about everything: national anthem disputes, Gatorade cooler attacks, yearlong holdouts, bold predictions, Week 17 walkouts and a love-hate relationship between the game's best pass-catching duo.

      When team president Art Rooney II met with local reporters last month, one of his first questions, and rightfully so, was about the perception that his team is a "circus." Rooney didn't agree, calling the notion "nonsense" as far as he's concerned.

      The Steelers' locker room is filled with mostly exemplary, hard-working players. But the team could have avoided some of these issues, too.

      From ownership to team captains, Steelers leaders have tried to reconcile those two realities.

      Defensive end and captain Cameron Heyward admitted that the Steelers dealt with a lot internally, and some outside factors that were uncontrollable, such as Le'Veon Bell's holdout. Some situations were handled better than others, he said.

      "I think we took a lot of good steps. It’s about younger guys becoming better professionals and being comfortable in what they are asked to do," Heyward said. "The light didn’t click for me right away. ... Just gotta grow, put the petty stuff behind us. It’s not always going to be dandelions and daisies.

      "But getting over our problems, being communicative and understanding we have to work through our problems -- that’s what growth takes. You can’t continue to do the same thing and expect the same results. That goes for the whole organization. I’m not saying one person."

      Finishing games was the biggest issue in the eyes of Heyward. The Steelers' final four losses were by a combined 16 points. Despite the league's sixth-ranked total defense, a unit that tied for the league lead with 52 sacks, the slow bleed at the end of games was concerning.

      The Steelers gave up a late scoring drive in all four of those November and December losses. Only more turnovers will "shut the door" on teams, Heyward said.

      The Steelers are keeping defensive coordinator Keith Butler, who has one year left on his contract. He'll replace Joey Porter as outside linebackers coach.

      Heyward stressed that coaching isn't the issue.

      "Coaches can only do so much. Up to the players to execute," he said. "I want to lead this group and do what’s right. It’s up to the players to execute the jobs they give us. I think our game plans are great. If we don’t execute and do what we should all the time, there’s room for error."

      After the Steelers missed the playoffs for the first time since 2013, center and captain Maurkice Pouncey defended the team culture and said he wants to bring teammates together. At the Pro Bowl, Pouncey spent several minutes stressing why he believes Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown can coexist, downplaying any Week 17 flare-up and highlighting the duo's accomplishments as two future Hall of Famers.

      "At the end of the day, things will get worked out. I honestly, truly believe that," Pouncey said.

      Pouncey has been one of coach Mike Tomlin's most ardent supporters over the years, and 2019 could be one of Tomlin's toughest tests yet. He'll likely be without Bell, this time for good, and if Brown returns, the All-Pro wideout and his coach will have issues to mend -- and potentially new parameters to set to curb misbehavior.

      But the way Pouncey sees it, there's no palpable tension inside his locker room from day to day.

      "I don’t care what anybody else on the outside has to say. We’re all really good friends," Pouncey said. "It’s not like no one talks to each other. You know what kind of organization, what kind of team we have."

      The onus is on Rooney to sort through what happened at the end of the season, decide on Brown's future and guide the Steelers into 2019.

      Diverse personalities inside the building are nothing new in Pittsburgh, as Rooney knows from decades of experience. Juggling those personalities mostly worked in recent years -- until it didn't.

      "You know, I’ve been around a lot of football players for a lot of years. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors," Rooney said. "Look, we work hard to try and bring people here who we think are a good fit, but people are different, and we’ve had some different characters here and there over the years. Bottom line is I’m disappointed by what happened at the end of the season, and if there are lessons to be learned here, we’ll look at that and see if we can do better."

      Rooney recognized that the tenor of 2018 would have been far different if the Steelers had improved in two basic areas: turnover margin (minus-11) and kicking (seven missed field goals). Pittsburgh ranked among the league's worst in both categories. It's difficult to win more than nine games that way.

      Rooney praised the defensive front seven's ability to get quarterback pressure but wants to see the secondary improve -- and the entire defense protect leads.

      "On defense, we just have to be aggressive in taking the ball away and finding players that can do that," Rooney said of turnover margin. "So I think that is something you can improve, and we need to do that. On the offensive side, ball security is something that we talk about a lot. We had some key fumbles and key interceptions at bad times, and those things lead to losing games, so those are areas where we can improve on, among others. But just to name a couple which are things we have to be better at."

      It's always more than a couple issues, of course. The Steelers believe they will be back, but it's an open secret that many players in the locker room would prefer a drama-free, football-focused environment in 2019.

      http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/30081/steelers-leaders-make-sense-of-circus
      Pouncey is right o the mark. Players failures this season were a bigger issue in losses than anything coaches did. Boswell missed the FGs and XPs. The defense gave up the big plays and left players open.

      Players have to execute!
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        Your boy AB... he's on a roll..............


        TMZ Sports reports Antonio Brown was involved in a domestic dispute in January but was not arrested.

        According to TMZ, a woman contacted the Hollywood Police in January over alleged "misconduct" by Brown. "Mr. Brown was involved in a domestic dispute," police told TMZ. "No arrests were made." This sounds like a minor incident, but it is another bump in what has been a rocky couple months for the star receiver.
        Source: TMZ Sports

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        • Northern_Blitz
          Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 24382

          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
          Your boy AB... he's on a roll..............


          TMZ Sports reports Antonio Brown was involved in a domestic dispute in January but was not arrested.

          According to TMZ, a woman contacted the Hollywood Police in January over alleged "misconduct" by Brown. "Mr. Brown was involved in a domestic dispute," police told TMZ. "No arrests were made." This sounds like a minor incident, but it is another bump in what has been a rocky couple months for the star receiver.
          Source: TMZ Sports
          If he did get a suspension from the league for domestic abuse (or a drug suspension), would he count against the cap? Asking for a friend (because it's kind of a jackass question).

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 10287

            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            If he did get a suspension from the league for domestic abuse (or a drug suspension), would he count against the cap? Asking for a friend (because it's kind of a jackass question).
            While suspended, a player is not paid, and therefore his salary does not count against the cap. However, the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus does. In this case, if AB is suspended for the 2019 season (strictly hypothetical. This is just for the sake of answering the question, not a prediction) Brown would count $7.04M against the cap for his pro rated SB, but would neither receive, nor count, his $2.5M roster bonus (assuming he'd be suspended before it kicks in) or his $12.625M salary.
            http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 10287

              Originally posted by Steel Maniac
              Your boy AB... he's on a roll..............


              TMZ Sports reports Antonio Brown was involved in a domestic dispute in January but was not arrested.

              According to TMZ, a woman contacted the Hollywood Police in January over alleged "misconduct" by Brown. "Mr. Brown was involved in a domestic dispute," police told TMZ. "No arrests were made." This sounds like a minor incident, but it is another bump in what has been a rocky couple months for the star receiver.
              Source: TMZ Sports
              Does anybody else find it strange that the police are commenting on an alleged incident in which no charges were laid? I could see a response of "we were called to a residence, we spoke with people including AB, no charges were laid", but to say "Mr. Brown was involved in a domestic dispute," when they didn't lay charges seems odd.
              http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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              • Steel Maniac
                Banned
                • Apr 2017
                • 19472

                They didn't charge Ben either; just saying.

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                • Northern_Blitz
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 24382

                  Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                  While suspended, a player is not paid, and therefore his salary does not count against the cap. However, the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus does. In this case, if AB is suspended for the 2019 season (strictly hypothetical. This is just for the sake of answering the question, not a prediction) Brown would count $7.04M against the cap for his pro rated SB, but would neither receive, nor count, his $2.5M roster bonus (assuming he'd be suspended before it kicks in) or his $12.625M salary.
                  Thanks for the clarification

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                  • steelz09
                    Administrator
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4675

                    Originally posted by squidkid
                    wow, quite the diversified group of people making the same statements..................eh, they all must all be wrong
                    Clearly, they are all wrong. Funny, when it was just Harrison criticizing Tomlin, he was "grinding an axe". Over a dozen others including decorated ex-players make the same sort of statements and they don't have any skin in the game. They must be making everything up for no reason. Poor Tomlin.. he's being bullied. Lol.
                    Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                    • Steel Maniac
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 19472

                      Ask Oviedo and a couple others from the TTL and they'll tell you their all wrong. That's why I had to put Oviedo on ignore. I can't dialog with someone who refuses to see a problem and wants to be a myopic fan. There is no bigger Steeler fan then me but we've got problems. To lie and pretend they don't exist isn't the way to handle them. We have a culture problem that Tomlin is being allowed to fix. Let's see if he can do it.

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                      • RuthlessBurgher
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 33208

                        Antonio Brown faults Mike Tomlin for telling Steelers he quit
                        By Michael David Smith | Feb 16, 2019, 2:56 PM EST

                        Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown is continuing to mix it up with fans on Twitter, and he suggested in one tweet that he holds coach Mike Tomlin accountable for the perception that Brown quit on the team before their final game of the season.

                        Responding to a fan who accused him of showing by sitting out the final game of the season that he doesn’t really love football, Brown wrote that Tomlin telling the Steelers he quit on them made him out to be the bad guy.

                        “After the coach tell the team I quit while nursing some bumps then invite me to watch the show with same guys thinking I quit i can not stand with that! I’m the bad guy doe we miss post season think about it,” Brown wrote.

                        Not exactly the clearest form of communication, but the general impression from Brown’s tweet is that he thinks Tomlin made him the fall guy. Brown doesn’t seem to be trying to endear himself to his coach, perhaps because he’s committed to playing for someone else this year.
                        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                        • Northern_Blitz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 24382

                          Anyone ask him why he didn't get the MRI?

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                          • Ernie
                            Legend
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 8470

                            Given what's went down the past several weeks, I take anything AB says with a grain of salt.
                            Tomlin didn't handle that situation well... but AB doesn't get a pass for his behavior regardless of what happened.

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                            • Steel Maniac
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 19472

                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              Anyone ask him why he didn't get the MRI?
                              Boom..........

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