What Does This Draft Tell Us About the Steelers?

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  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    What Does This Draft Tell Us About the Steelers?

    1. We're loading up on big Ss for sub package D. We've now got 4 Ss that are 6' - 6'2" and from 200-220lbs. Almost all these guys look to me to be about in the neighborhood of Shazier or Farrior's size. Seems like an emphasis on speed and tackling when we're out of our base D which is the majority of the time.

    I'm intrigued by the Edmunds and Allen picks.

    2. Washington feels like the safe pick in the draft. I'm excited about seeing AB, Juju, and this kid on the field together. Washington is a shorter and thicker version of Juju. If this kid is as good as I think he can be, adding in LB and Vance (assuming his end of year play continues) and this offense is set up to be unstoppable. For real this year.

    3. I liked seeing us swing for the fences in round 3. The likelihood of a 3rd round pick panning out is slim. And we went all in on 2 positions where great players are nearly impossible to find in QB and LT. Rudolf or Chuks could both be big busts, but they also have huge upside and I like that we went for it. These both feel like Mike Tomlin gut instinct picks where he goes for it on 4th and 2 when almost no one else would. Rudolf has great accuracy on his deep passes and Chuks has size and athleticism that you can't teach. Again both have a lot of work to do, but there's something to work with in each. I think it's better than going for a mediocre LB personally. And it says the Steelers must have some trust in the guys they have or trust in some of the FA options to be added.

    4. Living in NC, I love watching Samuels. I think he's going to be way better than most people expect. But the reality is, I think he's a hedge against LB long term. This guy is our 3rd down back of the future just in case. Maybe he can handle more downs, but it's pretty easy to find a 1st and 2nd down back if needed in the future. Those guys are a dime a dozen. He might not make the transition to the NFL being the tweener, but the kid just finds the endzone and I think he's a baller.

    5. I really knew nothing about Frazier, but he seems to be a big body with limited mileage and his coach must have pushed for him. We must have some special inside info on the kid. Otherwise, I really don't understand why we didn't just take him as a UDFA.

    6. Overall, my biggest disappointment is we didn't address our pass rush in any way for the future. I know we got a lot of sacks this last year, but I don't feel like we have the horses to generate consistent pressure without scheming for it. No one on our D Line scares me. None of our LBs scare me. We're going to be in sub packages more often than not. We're going to need to generate pressure with 4 guys consistently. Do we have a grouping of 4 that's intimidating? I'd argue our top 4 guys might be the least intimidating group in the league and that could be our downfall and reason we can't get over the hump. We might just have to score a lot more.
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  • Donnieboy
    Benchwarmer
    • Mar 2018
    • 90

    #2
    Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge.

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    • Iron City Inc.
      Hall of Famer
      • Jun 2013
      • 3237

      #3
      We are in sub packages a lot. 70% in 17 if I'm not mistaken. Frazier we had some meeting with or dinner with so he was well known to the staff since his dl coach is now our dl coach.

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      • Flasteel
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 4004

        #4
        I think you summed up things up quite nicely Flip. Well done!

        I wonder if this shift to using more hybrid safeties would have been in play had one of the LBs fallen, but I am actually kind of excited about the development. I keep hearing polar-opposite "scouting reports" on Edmund's ability to tackle, but he appears to be a very physical and explosive presence, by all accounts. Allen is obviously a tackling machine, who seems plenty big and is fast enough. Pair them with Davis and Burnett and you've got a very versatile, athletic, big, and fast group. The speed on defense and ability to cover (especially TE) is increased and we just have to hope those guys can get in there and bang it from time to time and take care of their gap. If the defense could be more stout up front - especially where Hargreaves and Dupree are concerned - I think they have a chance to be far better against the run, than what was showed last year after Shazier went down.
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        • Sugar
          Hall of Famer
          • Oct 2008
          • 3700

          #5
          Originally posted by Donnieboy
          Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge.
          I'm puzzled why you would say that Ben only has one more year left when he has said that he's interested in playing three? I'm trying to make sense of what you're even saying here.

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          • Prowler
            Pro Bowler
            • Apr 2010
            • 1837

            #6
            Originally posted by Donnieboy
            Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge.
            I was thinking the same thing. Don't get wrong, I love Ben but he has slowed down a lot and I could easily see the Steelers trade him after 2018, if Rudolph is the real deal.








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            • Steelwolf
              Pro Bowler
              • Jul 2014
              • 1294

              #7
              Uhh no way they trade Ben.....

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              • Sugar
                Hall of Famer
                • Oct 2008
                • 3700

                #8
                Originally posted by Prowler
                I was thinking the same thing. Don't get wrong, I love Ben but he has slowed down a lot and I could easily see the Steelers trade him after 2018, if Rudolph is the real deal.
                Wait, what?? Ben ended the year on FIRE last season and his year overall was comparable to what he always does. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not trading Big Ben, that's just silly talk. Let's not get stupid just because the team got a value pick that happens to be a QB.

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                • NorthCoast
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26636

                  #9
                  I'd like to share your optimism flippy but... the Steelers only cracked the 30 pts/gm target in 30% of their games last year. And it took half the year for that to happen the first time. Was really hoping the Steelers stayed all defense until the late rounds. Obviously they didn't feel the value was there when they picked, which says that maybe defensively this class wasn't all that to begin with? Could not afford to repeat a draft like 2012 on defense...

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                  • Steel Maniac
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 19472

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Flasteel
                    I think you summed up things up quite nicely Flip. Well done!

                    I wonder if this shift to using more hybrid safeties would have been in play had one of the LBs fallen, but I am actually kind of excited about the development. I keep hearing polar-opposite "scouting reports" on Edmund's ability to tackle, but he appears to be a very physical and explosive presence, by all accounts. Allen is obviously a tackling machine, who seems plenty big and is fast enough. Pair them with Davis and Burnett and you've got a very versatile, athletic, big, and fast group. The speed on defense and ability to cover (especially TE) is increased and we just have to hope those guys can get in there and bang it from time to time and take care of their gap. If the defense could be more stout up front - especially where Hargreaves and Dupree are concerned - I think they have a chance to be far better against the run, than what was showed last year after Shazier went down.
                    But how does this help us stop the run?? jags broke us by staying with it and finally establishing it.

                    If a team can run on you, the back seven will be caught out of position on play-action and caught with the wrong personnel too.

                    This draft was a disappointment. Where are the tough guys now on defense? The middle of the defense is weak ( linebackers) .

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                    • Buzz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 8379

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                      But how does this help us stop the run?? jags broke us by staying with it and finally establishing it.

                      If a team can run on you, the back seven will be caught out of position on play-action and caught with the wrong personnel too.

                      This draft was a disappointment. Where are the tough guys now on defense? The middle of the defense is weak ( linebackers) .
                      Perhaps the Steelers will do some post-draft FA shopping.

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                      • Prowler
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 1837

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sugar
                        Wait, what?? Ben ended the year on FIRE last season and his year overall was comparable to what he always does. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not trading Big Ben, that's just silly talk. Let's not get stupid just because the team got a value pick that happens to be a QB.
                        I agree that today it would be silly too talk about trading Ben. Next season might be different, however. Remember when Maddox got hurt? We ended up with a mobile gifted passer and a 15-1 record. Can you honestly say that Ben moves around any better than a statue these days? That reason right there is why Rudolph would be an upgrade. Now if he can only prove he is an accurate passer like Ben this might become a reality sooner than you think.








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                        • Slapstick
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 0

                          #13
                          I believe that Bostic will be a dramatic improvement over Spence...
                          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                          • pittpete
                            Legend
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 6825

                            #14
                            Definetely agree about Bostic.
                            Steelers also have some $$$ to sign a backer after June 1st cuts.
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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 24373

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Donnieboy
                              Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge.
                              I think we learned that the team wants to win now and later. So, I think a trade next year is in play (but I don't think it will happen).

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