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From this draft, I see no urgency in winning in 2018. Colbert & Tomlin are very content with just winning 10 plus games and being eliminated.
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Focusing on one year is how bad franchises draft...Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.Comment
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When he is on the field, yes, he will be. The question, of course, is how often he will be on the field.
I think the Steelers drafted so many safeties, in part, because they couldn't get one of the ILBs that they liked. While the safeties will make for some interesting nickel / dime options, this team is still vulnerable if it faces a team like Jacksonville that forces them into the base. Maybe Frazier can become a run stuffing presence (or at least an improvement over Walton as a backup NT), but I worry that the Steelers did not do enough here. They had pre-draft interest in a lot of NT/DT types, and only added a 7th round project.Comment
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I trust that Karl Dunbar gave us some quality intel on Frazier, vouching for the kid after being his position coach at Alabama for the last 2 seasons. He fell to the 7th because he wasn't a starter on his college team (playing behind the likes of 13th overall pick De'Ron Payne and 4th round pick Da'Shawn Hand) and he offers little-to-nothing as a pass rusher, which is what most teams look for when drafting DT's. But we drafted him solely as a situational run-stuffing short-yardage NT specialist (the opposite of what we have in Javon Hargrave) to replace what we were hoping to get out of Big Dan McCullers. Now Frazier and McCullers can compete for that one specialized role behind Hargrave. It appears that we are set at DE with Alualu and Walton behind Heyward and Tuitt.Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.
Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.Comment
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What the hell are you talking about? Ben can still move around and we replaced an arena league QB (Maddox) with a first round pick. Watch this clip to see how well Ben can still move around.
and Rudolph hasn't completed one NFL pass yet, lets not crown him until he shows us what he can do.
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Ben is still good. This is why a trade could make sense (I don't think I'd do it myself).
I personally would have preferred to kick as much salary as possible down the road and load up for 2-3 more good chances at the SB with Ben. But, that means that you leave a wasteland of a team after he retires. Throughout my lifetime (i.e. the Cowher and Tomlin eras), the Rooneys have always valued being consistently competitive over juicing the short term gain at the cost of long term pain. I think that means that they might consider trading Ben so that we have less chance of being a tire fire after he retires.
I think that the argument for doing it looks something like this:
Next year is our "last best" year to win the SB with Ben, Bell, and Brown all still playing.
The year after next, Bell goes and Ben + Brown are a year older. If the team thinks that Rudolph can be an above average starter and they don't want to extend Ben, it makes some sense to manage the asset and trade him away. That at least gives Rudolph some time with a very strong WR corps.
If we could get a mid-round first pick for trading Ben (like SF did when trading Montana at the end of his career), that could help build up the rest of the team so that they could still be competitive with a downgrade at QB. Then we can help fix the D (and / or get a high calibre RB) with two 1st round picks next year. What if we ended up trading for a pick to get next year's equivalent of R. Smith and our own pick @ 32 gave us a solid RB or OLB?Comment
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Ben is going to want an extension. With what they now have in Rudolph, no way the Steelers give Ben an extension at 36-37. If you trade Ben you get an enormous haul back. Those that don't believe the Steelers part ways with Ben at some point forget that it happened to the likes of Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.Comment
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I know some of you do not understand this and as a result cannot accept this, but.............Ben is on the clock.Comment
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No way? Ok so let's say once again, the Steelers fall short of winning another Super Bowl this next season, Mason Rudolph impresses to the point the Steelers are convinced that he can be an above average QB, and several teams approach the Steelers next off season with a return for Ben that is staggering.
At that time Ben has one year left on his contract. You get a tremendous haul back for him. One year later you get nothing.
Oh and also not only do the Steelers get several high picks in return for Ben, but they also have a huge amount of cap space as a result of it.
No way huh? Ok we will see........Comment
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