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  • RuthlessBurgher
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 33208

    Mason Rudolph is the Steelers' great Jimmy G experiment

    8:09 AM ET

    Jeremy Fowler
    ESPN Staff Writer

    PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Steelers didn't have to talk themselves into drafting Mason Rudolph. The voices in the halls of Oklahoma State's campus told them to do it.

    "They come up to you and, man for man or janitor to janitor, and they're grabbing you and saying 'Man, this is the salt of the earth. This is one of these type of dudes.' That's exciting," offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner said.

    So Pittsburgh made the "dude" one of the its most important third-round picks in recent history.

    Tom Brady was 36 years old when the New England Patriots selected Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round of the 2014 draft. Four years later, Ben Roethlisberger is 36 and will have a player the Steelers considered a first-round talent inside his quarterback room.

    Brady played long enough to force Garoppolo to San Francisco in a trade that affected the Patriots' future plans. The Steelers would love to be faced with such a problem. They'd gladly sign up for Roethlisberger playing another four years, and Roethlisberger himself told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he’s eyeing another three to five seasons, barring injury.

    To be sure, Rudolph one day flashing a Hollywood smile at a media conference announcing a $137.5 million contract, like Garoppolo, is hardly a guarantee. He's a third-round pick that at least one NFL draft evaluation compares to Christian Ponder.

    But the presence of Rudolph has deepened the intrigue of a Pittsburgh quarterback lineage that features one Hall of Famer (Terry Bradshaw) and another destined for a bust in Canton, Ohio.

    This feels weightier than last year's fourth-round selection of Josh Dobbs, who is talented but considered raw. The Steelers have begun drawing the walls and doors of a succession blueprint. They believe Rudolph's ability to anticipate throws is next-level good.

    Rudolph -- described as a devout Christian and obsessive about football prep -- will be ready. In fact, he prayed for this.

    "I've gotta believe he would embrace the job and hang onto it as long as those two did if the opportunity presented itself in the future," said Brett Rudolph, Mason's father.

    No hobbies, just football

    Exactly what to expect from Rudolph is tough to decipher because of the draft's quarterback dynamic. Many around the league considered Rudolph the sixth-best quarterback behind Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson. The Steelers disagreed, with general manager Kevin Colbert revealing Rudolph ranked as high on his board as the others.

    Rudolph can point to 13,618 reasons why he disagrees, one for each record-breaking yard at Oklahoma State, which ran a vertical passing offense suited to Rudolph's skill set.

    "It'll stick with me every minute of every hour from here going forward until the day I die," Rudolph said about being labeled as a second-tier quarterback in the draft process.

    Rudolph is the son of an asset manager for a real estate investment firm, a private-school-educated child until the sixth grade. He attended a Christian private school before joining Northwestern High School and football powerhouse Rock Hill (South Carolina) to see how he stacked up, converting from receiver to quarterback after coaches saw the natural arm talent and mental makeup for the position.

    Rudolph's brother, Logan, plays outside linebacker at Clemson. His father played linebacker at North Carolina. He learned football toughness from his family, which believes three different school environments helped Rudolph become well-rounded.

    When Rudolph isn't commanding a huddle, he's commanding living rooms by organizing family activities. His strong personality comes out in both settings, his father says.

    No hobbies, just football.

    "Doesn't ever seem to be satisfied," Brett said. "I've told him that you'll have plenty of years later on to do things you couldn't do as an NFL player, but have no regrets. He's been pretty obsessive about being as good as he can be."

    Rudolph had hoped to go higher than 76th overall but also prioritized fit. Teams that showed the most interest had aging quarterbacks: Patriots, Saints, Chargers among them.

    None of those drafted a quarterback, but five teams in the first round did, which was hard for Rudolph. Privately, he felt his pro-style quarterbacking and ability to keep his eyes downfield and deliver would erase concerns.

    Now he knows only one thing to do.

    "Prepare like I'm the starter whether that's the case or not," Rudolph said.

    Working to combat 'system' stigma

    Between Cowboys practices and film sessions, Rudolph would corral a few young assistant coaches and run through every call sheet, review signals, where plays came from -- "football gymnastics," as offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich calls it.

    One 10-play script might take 30 minutes when reviewing each variation or coverage possibility.

    If Rudolph didn't have enough information, he'd press Yurcich for more.

    "He's the kind of guy you want to go to work with and go to a heated battle with because you know he's done everything in his capability to handle the moment he's stepping into," Yurcich said.

    Work ethic is great, but Rudolph might log overtime to conquer the "system" stigma that exists with offenses in the Big 12, where passing windows are bigger than NFL cornerbacks allow.

    That stigma irks Yurcich, who got a four-year close-up at a quarterback with the best "sniper's mentality" he has ever seen -- the ability to wait for plays to develop, eyes downfield, while a pass rusher closes in. Rudolph slides in the pocket at a "masterful" level, Yurcich said, has flawless weight transfer on deep balls and punishes intermediate zones. He concedes Rudolph's ability to throw on the run is "average," but adds Rudolph can improve in that area because he's not a bad athlete (4.9 40 time at the combine).

    The way he sees it, a Big 12 offense should be the least of the NFL's concern when top-10 picks the past two years (Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes) quarterbacked in the Big 12 and Andy Reid, a West Coast offense disciple, giddily schemes up Big 12-style concepts each Sunday.

    "I don't see under-center, seven-step drops in the NFL. I see shotgun, I see spread sets, pick routes, Big 12 offense in the Super Bowl," Yurcich said.

    Rudolph points out he had vast control of OSU's offense, pre- and post-snap, which will help him learn at the NFL level. He has already met with Fichtner over the weekend to talk football, Brett said.

    The Steelers should feel like they got a first-round pick, Yurcich said, because that's where he belonged.

    "It boggles my mind," Yurcich said about Rudolph not being grouped with the quarterbacks ahead of him. "I think it's a slap in the face."

    Not Big Ben's job to teach me

    The Steelers aren't about to cast Roethlisberger aside. He was one of the league's hottest quarterbacks at season's end, averaging 346 yards per game over his last seven games in 2017.

    Center Maurkice Pouncey told ESPN that Roethlisberger wants to play another three years, which would necessitate an update on a contract expiring in 2020.

    Drafting a quarterback in the third round allows the Steelers to invest in the future without mortgaging the present. The pick isn't high enough to put the starter on some sort of notice unnecessarily, and the backup quarterback dynamic just got more interesting. Landry Jones is in the final year of his contract, and Dobbs has barely played. He'll want a chance.

    "I know you can’t keep four, but any coach is going to say 'give me as much talent as you possibly can,'" said Fichtner, a former quarterbacks coach promoted in January after the team did not renew Todd Haley's contract. "I am going to be excited as hell about this. I keep my fingers crossed that [Roethlisberger] will play as long as, Lord willing, he’s healthy and that he wants to play. That’d be awesome and that’d be great for us. … If it takes three guys in competition to replace him some day, then so be it, and what a better position to be in right now and to keep developing quarterbacks."

    That leaves Rudolph seeking a sweet spot between confidence and patience. Rudolph calls himself "competitive to the bone" and would love to play but also sees the value in development.

    His reps will be limited to organized team activities, training camp, possibly a preseason start and no guarantees after that.

    All this would be new for a player who has long admired Roethlisberger's game but plans to create his own NFL identity.

    "It’s not Ben [Roethlisberger's] job to teach me anything. It’s my job to learn and that is the way I am going to look at it," Rudolph said. "Obviously, you’re sitting behind an unbelievable player and a good dude, so we’ll just kind of take it day by day and try to learn what I can each and every day."

    http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/27823/mason-rudolph-is-the-steelers-great-jimmy-g-experiment
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27532

      great read, thanks
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
        Mason Rudolph is the Steelers' great Jimmy G experiment

        8:09 AM ET

        Jeremy Fowler
        ESPN Staff Writer

        PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Steelers didn't have to talk themselves into drafting Mason Rudolph. The voices in the halls of Oklahoma State's campus told them to do it.

        "They come up to you and, man for man or janitor to janitor, and they're grabbing you and saying 'Man, this is the salt of the earth. This is one of these type of dudes.' That's exciting," offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner said.

        So Pittsburgh made the "dude" one of the its most important third-round picks in recent history.

        Tom Brady was 36 years old when the New England Patriots selected Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round of the 2014 draft. Four years later, Ben Roethlisberger is 36 and will have a player the Steelers considered a first-round talent inside his quarterback room.

        Brady played long enough to force Garoppolo to San Francisco in a trade that affected the Patriots' future plans. The Steelers would love to be faced with such a problem. They'd gladly sign up for Roethlisberger playing another four years, and Roethlisberger himself told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he’s eyeing another three to five seasons, barring injury.

        To be sure, Rudolph one day flashing a Hollywood smile at a media conference announcing a $137.5 million contract, like Garoppolo, is hardly a guarantee. He's a third-round pick that at least one NFL draft evaluation compares to Christian Ponder.

        But the presence of Rudolph has deepened the intrigue of a Pittsburgh quarterback lineage that features one Hall of Famer (Terry Bradshaw) and another destined for a bust in Canton, Ohio.

        This feels weightier than last year's fourth-round selection of Josh Dobbs, who is talented but considered raw. The Steelers have begun drawing the walls and doors of a succession blueprint. They believe Rudolph's ability to anticipate throws is next-level good.

        Rudolph -- described as a devout Christian and obsessive about football prep -- will be ready. In fact, he prayed for this.

        "I've gotta believe he would embrace the job and hang onto it as long as those two did if the opportunity presented itself in the future," said Brett Rudolph, Mason's father.

        No hobbies, just football

        Exactly what to expect from Rudolph is tough to decipher because of the draft's quarterback dynamic. Many around the league considered Rudolph the sixth-best quarterback behind Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson. The Steelers disagreed, with general manager Kevin Colbert revealing Rudolph ranked as high on his board as the others.

        Rudolph can point to 13,618 reasons why he disagrees, one for each record-breaking yard at Oklahoma State, which ran a vertical passing offense suited to Rudolph's skill set.

        "It'll stick with me every minute of every hour from here going forward until the day I die," Rudolph said about being labeled as a second-tier quarterback in the draft process.

        Rudolph is the son of an asset manager for a real estate investment firm, a private-school-educated child until the sixth grade. He attended a Christian private school before joining Northwestern High School and football powerhouse Rock Hill (South Carolina) to see how he stacked up, converting from receiver to quarterback after coaches saw the natural arm talent and mental makeup for the position.

        Rudolph's brother, Logan, plays outside linebacker at Clemson. His father played linebacker at North Carolina. He learned football toughness from his family, which believes three different school environments helped Rudolph become well-rounded.

        When Rudolph isn't commanding a huddle, he's commanding living rooms by organizing family activities. His strong personality comes out in both settings, his father says.

        No hobbies, just football.

        "Doesn't ever seem to be satisfied," Brett said. "I've told him that you'll have plenty of years later on to do things you couldn't do as an NFL player, but have no regrets. He's been pretty obsessive about being as good as he can be."

        Rudolph had hoped to go higher than 76th overall but also prioritized fit. Teams that showed the most interest had aging quarterbacks: Patriots, Saints, Chargers among them.

        None of those drafted a quarterback, but five teams in the first round did, which was hard for Rudolph. Privately, he felt his pro-style quarterbacking and ability to keep his eyes downfield and deliver would erase concerns.

        Now he knows only one thing to do.

        "Prepare like I'm the starter whether that's the case or not," Rudolph said.

        Working to combat 'system' stigma

        Between Cowboys practices and film sessions, Rudolph would corral a few young assistant coaches and run through every call sheet, review signals, where plays came from -- "football gymnastics," as offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich calls it.

        One 10-play script might take 30 minutes when reviewing each variation or coverage possibility.

        If Rudolph didn't have enough information, he'd press Yurcich for more.

        "He's the kind of guy you want to go to work with and go to a heated battle with because you know he's done everything in his capability to handle the moment he's stepping into," Yurcich said.

        Work ethic is great, but Rudolph might log overtime to conquer the "system" stigma that exists with offenses in the Big 12, where passing windows are bigger than NFL cornerbacks allow.

        That stigma irks Yurcich, who got a four-year close-up at a quarterback with the best "sniper's mentality" he has ever seen -- the ability to wait for plays to develop, eyes downfield, while a pass rusher closes in. Rudolph slides in the pocket at a "masterful" level, Yurcich said, has flawless weight transfer on deep balls and punishes intermediate zones. He concedes Rudolph's ability to throw on the run is "average," but adds Rudolph can improve in that area because he's not a bad athlete (4.9 40 time at the combine).

        The way he sees it, a Big 12 offense should be the least of the NFL's concern when top-10 picks the past two years (Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes) quarterbacked in the Big 12 and Andy Reid, a West Coast offense disciple, giddily schemes up Big 12-style concepts each Sunday.

        "I don't see under-center, seven-step drops in the NFL. I see shotgun, I see spread sets, pick routes, Big 12 offense in the Super Bowl," Yurcich said.

        Rudolph points out he had vast control of OSU's offense, pre- and post-snap, which will help him learn at the NFL level. He has already met with Fichtner over the weekend to talk football, Brett said.

        The Steelers should feel like they got a first-round pick, Yurcich said, because that's where he belonged.

        "It boggles my mind," Yurcich said about Rudolph not being grouped with the quarterbacks ahead of him. "I think it's a slap in the face."

        Not Big Ben's job to teach me

        The Steelers aren't about to cast Roethlisberger aside. He was one of the league's hottest quarterbacks at season's end, averaging 346 yards per game over his last seven games in 2017.

        Center Maurkice Pouncey told ESPN that Roethlisberger wants to play another three years, which would necessitate an update on a contract expiring in 2020.

        Drafting a quarterback in the third round allows the Steelers to invest in the future without mortgaging the present. The pick isn't high enough to put the starter on some sort of notice unnecessarily, and the backup quarterback dynamic just got more interesting. Landry Jones is in the final year of his contract, and Dobbs has barely played. He'll want a chance.

        "I know you can’t keep four, but any coach is going to say 'give me as much talent as you possibly can,'" said Fichtner, a former quarterbacks coach promoted in January after the team did not renew Todd Haley's contract. "I am going to be excited as hell about this. I keep my fingers crossed that [Roethlisberger] will play as long as, Lord willing, he’s healthy and that he wants to play. That’d be awesome and that’d be great for us. … If it takes three guys in competition to replace him some day, then so be it, and what a better position to be in right now and to keep developing quarterbacks."

        That leaves Rudolph seeking a sweet spot between confidence and patience. Rudolph calls himself "competitive to the bone" and would love to play but also sees the value in development.

        His reps will be limited to organized team activities, training camp, possibly a preseason start and no guarantees after that.

        All this would be new for a player who has long admired Roethlisberger's game but plans to create his own NFL identity.

        "It’s not Ben [Roethlisberger's] job to teach me anything. It’s my job to learn and that is the way I am going to look at it," Rudolph said. "Obviously, you’re sitting behind an unbelievable player and a good dude, so we’ll just kind of take it day by day and try to learn what I can each and every day."

        http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/27823/mason-rudolph-is-the-steelers-great-jimmy-g-experiment
        Great story. He's into football. Period.

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          Excited to see what he can do.
          Trolls are people too.

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          • Donnieboy
            Benchwarmer
            • Mar 2018
            • 90

            Originally posted by Shawn
            Excited to see what he can do.
            I am sure the FO and coaching staff is as well.....

            Steelers GM Kevin Colbert said Rudolph was considered by Pittsburgh in "the group of the top quarterbacks"

            ....they believe they have an elite/franchise QB in Rudolph.

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            • Sugar
              Hall of Famer
              • Oct 2008
              • 3700

              Originally posted by Donnieboy
              Steelers GM Kevin Colbert said Rudolph was considered by Pittsburgh in "the group of the top quarterbacks"

              ....they believe they have an elite/franchise QB in Rudolph.
              Who they got as a value pick after choosing two other players.

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              • Slapstick
                Rookie
                • May 2008
                • 0

                Originally posted by Sugar
                Who they got as a value pick after choosing two other players.
                Which is a fine way to draft a franchise QB...stealing him from Cincy doesn't hurt either...
                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                • Donnieboy
                  Benchwarmer
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 90

                  Originally posted by Sugar
                  Who they got as a value pick after choosing two other players.
                  Yeah cause that's the first thing 49ers think of when they think of Joe Montana. lol!

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                  • papillon
                    Legend
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 11340

                    He is already light years ahead of many quarterbacks that come into the league with this statement: "It's not Ben's job to teach me anything. It's my job to learn and that's the way I'm going to look at it." He understands the position that he is in and the opportunity that he has, wise beyond his years. How great would it be to have Ben's replacement in the 3rd round and only giving up a 7th round pick to get him?

                    Pappy
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                    The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                    1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                    3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                    3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                    4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                    5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                    7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                    "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                    • Sugar
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 3700

                      Originally posted by Donnieboy
                      Yeah cause that's the first thing 49ers think of when they think of Joe Montana. lol!
                      If Rudolph is anywhere near as good as Montana as a pro, that will be fantastic. May the odds be ever in his favor.

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                      • Donnieboy
                        Benchwarmer
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 90

                        Originally posted by Sugar
                        If Rudolph is anywhere near as good as Montana as a pro, that will be fantastic. May the odds be ever in his favor.
                        Wouldn't that be great. We all could hope. Just for the record, Montana was the 82nd overall pick. By how some think that where a player is drafted its the ultimate indication of a players ability, I'd say Rudolph is already better.

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                        • flippy
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 17088

                          Looking at the history of 3rd round picks, there's 22 guys that became eventual HOFers drafted in round 3. That's 7% of the HOF.

                          Of those 22, 3 are QBs - Montana, Fouts, and Tarkenton. Although Tarkenton was pick 29 so that's not really a modern day 3rd round pick.

                          Hope Rudolf is in that class of QBs, but it's doubtful if we're being completely honest. And a guy at pick 76 has never made the HOF before.

                          But in my Flippy spirit, I expect him to one day be enshrined and buck the trend!!!!!!
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                          • NorthCoast
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 26636

                            Originally posted by flippy
                            Looking at the history of 3rd round picks, there's 22 guys that became eventual HOFers drafted in round 3. That's 7% of the HOF.

                            Of those 22, 3 are QBs - Montana, Fouts, and Tarkenton. Although Tarkenton was pick 29 so that's not really a modern day 3rd round pick.

                            Hope Rudolf is in that class of QBs, but it's doubtful if we're being completely honest. And a guy at pick 76 has never made the HOF before.

                            But in my Flippy spirit, I expect him to one day be enshrined and buck the trend!!!!!!
                            Add to that NFL talent evaluaters are notoriously bad at the QB position, it does end up being pretty much a crap shoot on finding the gem.

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