Steelers got the best QB in the draft!

[Donnieboy]

[Shawn]

The write up from NFL.com

Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

[Donnieboy]

The write up from NFL.com

Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

I challenge you and anyone else, to look at the youtube highlight clip and tell me that he isn't a precision QB with above average arm strength. And if you do, tell us why. Look at the slant passes he throws from the run option reads. Accurate, precise, quick, and with zip every time. His arm strength is better than that of Tom Brady coming out of college.

[feltdizz]

I hope so but looking at a few youtube clips of games where they show every pass I still have my reservations.

Pros: nice arm, great touch on the long ball, dude is big as hell but can move

Neg: always in shotgun, looked like he always went with the first read but lacked touch on dump offs to RB's. Threw a lot of questionable passes deep that will be INT's in the pros.

The best thing is he will have a chance to learn for a year or 2 but I see a lot of similarities with Landry Jones.

His tape vs TCU of all 34 passes.

[Donnieboy]

The write up from NFL.com

Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

Using the same source (NFL.com), who you think it the best QB in the draft, Lamar Jackson...

Overview
Evaluating Jackson against the NFL standards for the position will cause him to come up short. However, he has rare speed and athleticism and can single-handedly win games. Jackson's accuracy is clearly spotty and teams must decide the level of accuracy they are willing to live with relative to his ability to create explosive plays. Jackson may need to operate in an offense ready to integrate RPOs (run/pass options) along with heavy play-action. Like Deshaun Watson in 2017, Jackson has the ability to counter mental mistakes and turnovers with a high number of explosive, touchdown-making plays. He has star potential, but his success will rest heavily upon his ability to stay healthy.

Weaknesses
• Lackadaisical in setup
• Throws with excessively narrow base and stiff front side
• Flips it rather than throws it
• Makes targets work too hard
• Sails throws that can end up in hands of a safety
• At times, hesitates to challenge safeties in the seam
• Low release point leads to tipped passes
• Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions
• Pocket awareness has room for improvement
• Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor
• Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season
• Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball
• Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets
• Turnover total still too high

[feltdizz]

I challenge you and anyone else, to look at the youtube highlight clip and tell me that he isn't a precision QB with above average arm strength. And if you do, tell us why. Look at the slant passes he throws from the run option reads. Accurate, precise, quick, and with zip every time. His arm strength is better than that of Tom Brady coming out of college.

of course highlights show all the positive.

I think finding a few games where they show every pass is a better way to see his positives and negatives.

it will be fun watching him this preseason. His long ball is nice but he definitely looked like his mind was made up before the snap on most of his passes.

[Shawn]

I challenge you and anyone else, to look at the youtube highlight clip and tell me that he isn't a precision QB with above average arm strength. And if you do, tell us why. Look at the slant passes he throws from the run option reads. Accurate, precise, quick, and with zip every time. His arm strength is better than that of Tom Brady coming out of college.

LMAO...you lost me at youtube highlight clips.

[Slapstick]

Sounds like Big Ben...

[Donnieboy]

I
Neg: always in shotgun, looked like he always went with the first read but lacked touch on dump offs to RB's. Threw a lot of questionable passes deep that will be INT's in the pros.

In today's NFL, most QB's are more times than not in the shotgun. How is that a negative? Ben?.......

Over the course of the 2017 regular season, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger played a total of 1060 snaps, factoring in everything, including no-plays, pre-snap penalties, two-point conversion attempts, etc. he only lined up under center for 295 of those plays, or 27.8 percent of the time.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/02/ben-roethlisberger-barely-plays-center-anymore/

[Shawn]

Using the same source (NFL.com), who you think it the best QB in the draft, Lamar Jackson...

Overview
Evaluating Jackson against the NFL standards for the position will cause him to come up short. However, he has rare speed and athleticism and can single-handedly win games. Jackson's accuracy is clearly spotty and teams must decide the level of accuracy they are willing to live with relative to his ability to create explosive plays. Jackson may need to operate in an offense ready to integrate RPOs (run/pass options) along with heavy play-action. Like Deshaun Watson in 2017, Jackson has the ability to counter mental mistakes and turnovers with a high number of explosive, touchdown-making plays. He has star potential, but his success will rest heavily upon his ability to stay healthy.

Weaknesses
• Lackadaisical in setup
• Throws with excessively narrow base and stiff front side
• Flips it rather than throws it
• Makes targets work too hard
• Sails throws that can end up in hands of a safety
• At times, hesitates to challenge safeties in the seam
• Low release point leads to tipped passes
• Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions
• Pocket awareness has room for improvement
• Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor
• Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season
• Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball
• Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets
• Turnover total still too high

Jackson went in the first round. Second, I didn't use youtube clips to evaluate him...nor did I use NFL or any other scouts information to evaluate him.

[Donnieboy]

LMAO...you lost me at youtube highlight clips.

You lost me at quoting an article instead of giving insight yourself. You listen/read what someone else says and think it's golden pony boy! lol!! Funny.

[Donnieboy]

Jackson went in the first round. Second, I didn't use youtube clips to evaluate him...nor did I use NFL or any other scouts information to evaluate him.

Johnny Manzel went in the first round as well. So what? Every year, the NFL misses on QB's. They do it all the time.

[feltdizz]

In today's NFL, most QB's are more times than not in the shotgun. How is that a negative? Ben?.......

Over the course of the 2017 regular season, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger played a total of 1060 snaps, factoring in everything, including no-plays, pre-snap penalties, two-point conversion attempts, etc. he only lined up under center for 295 of those plays, or 27.8 percent of the time.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/02/ben-roethlisberger-barely-plays-center-anymore/

It's a negative because you still have to take 27% of your snaps under center. It's pretty much the first thing they will have him working on this preseason. Landry and Dobbs also had to work on this. It's just part of being a well rounded QB since there will be at least 25% of our plays that won't be in shotgun.

dropping back, footwork, handing the ball of to the RB, ball security... it's a negative until he proves he won't struggle and/or limit our playbook.

He may be a natural but I'm just going by the film I watched.

also, is looking to the sideline for the play a negative? HAHA.. I remember someone sued that to bash Lamar Jackson and I just noticed that Rudolph did the same thing. I can't believe people tried to use that as proof Lamar can't make the transition. Most QB's look to the sidelines these days in college

[Donnieboy]

It's a negative because you still have to take 27% of your snaps under center. It's pretty much the first thing they will have him working on this preseason. Landry and Dobbs also had to work on this. It's just part of being a well rounded QB since there will be at least 25% of our plays that won't be in shotgun.

dropping back, footwork, handing the ball of to the RB, ball security... it's a negative until he proves he won't struggle and/or limit our playbook.

He may be a natural but I'm just going by the film I watched.

also, is looking to the sideline for the play a negative? HAHA.. I remember someone sued that to bash Lamar Jackson and I just noticed that Rudolph did the same thing. I can't believe people tried to use that as proof Lamar can't make the transition. Most QB's look to the sidelines these days in college

I hear what you are saying and respect your thoughts however, being under center and turning around to hand off the ball and the foot work required for that isn't all that hard for these QB's...especially when they did that the majority of time in high school and Pop Warner. What is much more important is this...Roethlisberger threw 503 of his 561 passes from the shotgun last year. About 90 pct of the time.

[Shawn]

You lost me at quoting an article instead of giving insight yourself. You listen/read what someone else says and think it's golden pony boy! lol!! Funny.

I've actually already done a write up on Rudolph. If you are interested in my opinion, look it up.