Steelers got the best QB in the draft!

[Oviedo]

I hope so but looking at a few youtube clips of games where they show every pass I still have my reservations.

Pros: nice arm, great touch on the long ball, dude is big as hell but can move

Neg: always in shotgun, looked like he always went with the first read but lacked touch on dump offs to RB's. Threw a lot of questionable passes deep that will be INT's in the pros.

The best thing is he will have a chance to learn for a year or 2 but I see a lot of similarities with Landry Jones.

His tape vs TCU of all 34 passes.

That is why he is in the perfect situation with a team to develop him over the next couple years

[feltdizz]

I hear what you are saying and respect your thoughts however, being under center and turning around to hand off the ball and the foot work required for that isn't all that hard for these QB's...especially when they did that the majority of time in high school and Pop Warner. What is much more important is this...Roethlisberger threw 503 of his 561 passes from the shotgun last year. About 90 pct of the time.

I'm not worried about Ben but he wasn't in shotgun as much when he started.

I think it's important and nope, these days kids are running the spread in HS

It's still brought up as a concern when college QB's hit the pros. They have to show they can take snaps from center.

[feltdizz]

That is why he is in the perfect situation with a team to develop him over the next couple years

yep, but I really believe he is going to be another Landry Jones. I hope he proves me wrong.

[Shawn]

Johnny Manzel went in the first round as well. So what? Every year, the NFL misses on QB's. They do it all the time.

My point is this...franchise QBs rarely fall to the 3rd. I have watched the film, and I seen an average armed, average accuracy QB who was a system QB. I'm not saying he doesn't have upside. I like his deep touch. I think he was a solid value in the third. I'm curious to see how he develops.

[Donnieboy]

A couple of things here and I'll be done with this.....for now.

Shawn I do not need to read your write ups. You think Lamar Jackson is the best QB in this draft, or at least at one time you did. Lamar Jackson is probably the most inaccurate QB from this draft. He is a less than 60 pct passer in college. Again, I don't need to read what you have to say about Mason Rudolph. \

Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield all pretty much came from the same type of offense as that of Mason Rudolph.

I watched every one of Sam Darnold's games. This past season his completion percentage dropped significantly. His TD's went down and his int's went up. Because he has a slightly stronger arm he's that much better than Mason Rudolph? I think not. Josh Rosen and Josh Allen's performances the past two years? Not really 1st round talent. Look at their numbers. Ho-hum.

Franchise QB's rarely don't last to round 3? I beg to differ. There are quite a few who have. And if we add the second round this list below goes up significantly.

Russell Wilson
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Joe Theismann
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Norm Van Brocklin
Warren Moon undrafted
Kurt Warner undrafted

[Donnieboy]

My point is this...franchise QBs rarely fall to the 3rd. I have watched the film, and I seen an average armed, average accuracy QB who was a system QB. I'm not saying he doesn't have upside. I like his deep touch. I think he was a solid value in the third. I'm curious to see how he develops.

What film? Youtube? Or do NFL and colleges send you game tape? Never mind. Lol!!

[Shawn]

A couple of things here and I'll be done with this.....for now.

Shawn I do not need to read your write ups. You think Lamar Jackson is the best QB in this draft, or at least at one time you did. Lamar Jackson is probably the most inaccurate QB from this draft. He is a less than 60 pct passer in college. Again, I don't need to read what you have to say about Mason Rudolph. \

Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield all pretty much came from the same type of offense as that of Mason Rudolph.

I watched every one of Sam Darnold's games. This past season his completion percentage dropped significantly. His TD's went down and his int's went up. Because he has a slightly stronger arm he's that much better than Mason Rudolph? I think not. Josh Rosen and Josh Allen's performances the past two years? Not really 1st round talent. Look at their numbers. Ho-hum.

Franchise QB's rarely don't last to round 3? I beg to differ. There are quite a few who have. And if we add the second round this list below goes up significantly.

Russell Wilson
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Joe Theismann
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Norm Van Brocklin
Warren Moon undrafted
Kurt Warner undrafted

Well good. If my opinion means that little to you then why are you debating me?

[Shawn]

What film? Youtube? Or do NFL and colleges send you game tape? Never mind. Lol!!

Again, I have discussed this ad nauseam in the past. Theres a site that has full game breakdowns. Do some research.

[Donnieboy]

The..."Game Over...Lamar Jackson...Ravens" thread is very telling. I do not need to argue, debate, or go to much into detail with you Shawn. Lamar Jackson is a below average passing QB with many flaws in his game as a QB. But because he can run real fast you are very high on him.

Sounds like you are going to miss the boat on most solid QB prospects.

Have a good day Shawn.

[Donnieboy]

Getting back to my original post, from this youtube clip, can anyone here show me where Rudolph shows a weak arm? Below average arm strength? Not precise or accurate? Lack of escapability? Not able to make plays when things break down in the pocket? This clip is about 7 and half minutes long and about 50 pass attempts.

[Shawn]

The..."Game Over...Lamar Jackson...Ravens" thread is very telling. I do not need to argue, debate, or go to much into detail with you Shawn. Lamar Jackson is a below average passing QB with many flaws in his game as a QB. But because he can run real fast you are very high on him.

Sounds like you are going to miss the boat on most solid QB prospects.

Have a good day Shawn.

LOL...if you say so...yet you keep arguing and debating.

[Shawn]

Getting back to my original post, from this youtube clip, can anyone here show me where Rudolph shows a weak arm? Below average arm strength? Not precise or accurate? Lack of escapability? Not able to make plays when things break down in the pocket? This clip is about 7 and half minutes long and about 50 pass attempts.

It's a highlight reel for a reason. Never evaluate talent from a youtube clip.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Franchise QB's rarely don't last to round 3? I beg to differ. There are quite a few who have. And if we add the second round this list below goes up significantly.

Russell Wilson
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Joe Theismann
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Norm Van Brocklin
Warren Moon undrafted
Kurt Warner undrafted

Quite a few, eh?

You listed only one name from this decade (Russell Wilson 2012), one name from the previous decade (Tom Brady 2000), and one name from the decade before that (Kurt Warner 1994). Not exactly the strongest argument, brother..

The rest of your list came from long, long ago when scouting was nothing whatsoever like it is today, back in the 70's (Joe Montana 1979, Warren Moon 1978, Dan Fouts 1973, Joe Theismann 1971), the 60's (Roger Staubach 1964, Fran Tarkenton 1961), the 50's (Bart Starr 1956, Johnny Unitas 1955), and even the 40's (Norm Van Brocklin 1949).

[The Man of Steel]

Neil O’Donnell and Bubby Brister were both 3rd round draft picks and look how spectacular they turned out to be for the Steelers.

[Donnieboy]

I guess I'm not alone. Steelers ranked Mason Rudolph among draft's top QBs

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000930369/article/steelers-ranked-mason-rudolph-among-drafts-top-qbs