Game Over...Lamar Jackson...Ravens

[Shawn]

actually, I don’t think that’s what it’s all about.

Getting the the playoffs offs for a chance to win a SB is what it’s all about.

There are so many pocket QB’s that never sniff the playoffs let alone a SB appearance or a ring.

I can’t see how folks think there is only one way to win a SB when we recently watched Russel Wilson win a SB, come within one play of another SB the next year and Cam made a SB and was the MVP in 2015...

oh, and Kapernick also made a SB in 2013.

IMO its about having a chance to win a SB and we have seen mobile QB’s play well enough to have a shot at a SB win.

I cant see how folks swear it’s not possible when the evidence is right in front of our face that it is possible with these newer mobile QB’s who can also pass the ball.

They don't want to see it. The fact is this...mobile QBs...Prescott, Watson, Wilson etc are becoming more and more relevant. When you see a skill set like Jacksons...and you just dismiss it...it's ignorance. It means you haven't pulled up the film and watched the guy. I was speaking with my UL fan buddy tonight and he is a Bengals fan. He dreads facing Jackson twice a year. He knows his football. Odds are against any QB becoming a franchise QB. People play the odds with their predictions. With that said, I believe Jackson is going to be a pain in our a$$ at bare minimum...and has the ceiling to be elite.

[Steel Maniac]

You guys are confusing yourselves...

Listen very closely...

There are running qb’s..and QBs that can run. They are not the same. Feltz foolish manifesto is proof of that.

[Ernie]

actually, I don’t think that’s what it’s all about.

Getting the the playoffs offs for a chance to win a SB is what it’s all about.

There are so many pocket QB’s that never sniff the playoffs let alone a SB appearance or a ring.

I can’t see how folks think there is only one way to win a SB when we recently watched Russel Wilson win a SB, come within one play of another SB the next year and Cam made a SB and was the MVP in 2015...

oh, and Kapernick also made a SB in 2013.

IMO its about having a chance to win a SB and we have seen mobile QB’s play well enough to have a shot at a SB win.

I cant see how folks swear it’s not possible when the evidence is right in front of our face that it is possible with these newer mobile QB’s who can also pass the ball.

Need to point out one slight variation... the mobile QBs who are successful should be known as "Passers who are also mobile". Those QB's who's top skill is running... (with a lesser skill of passing) usually don't stick around very long.

[feltdizz]

Need to point out one slight variation... the mobile QBs who are successful should be known as "Passers who are also mobile". Those QB's who's top skill is running... (with a lesser skill of passing) usually don't stick around very long.

i agree. However, we are talking about Lamar Jackson right?

He has over 3500 yards passing each of his past two college seasons.

He isnt primarily a runner AND he faced the most top ten pass defense (7) of all the QB’s in this draft over his college career.

I think he will I’ll be more Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson than Vince Young.

One other fun fact. Bill Billicheat said Watson and Cam Newton are a pain in his side when it comes to preparing for them due to all the things they can do.


Cam cam has been pretty successful vs the Pats. (2-0)

[Ernie]

i agree. However, we are talking about Lamar Jackson right?

He has over 3500 yards passing each of his past two college seasons.

He isnt primarily a runner AND he faced the most top ten pass defense (7) of all the QB’s in this draft over his college career.

I think he will I’ll be more Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson than Vince Young.

One other fun fact. Bill Billicheat said Watson and Cam Newton are a pain in his side when it comes to preparing for them due to all the things they can do.


Cam cam has been pretty successful vs the Pats. (2-0)

I was making a generalization. Don't know much about Lamar Jackson. Your analysis of him may very well be on point. If that's the case, he may very well be a pain in our a$$ for years to come lol.

[Ernie]

The last few posts mentioned several QBs... including Kapernick. I see Kap as one of those guys who was primarily a runner. Sure, he had his 15 minutes of fame. It was short lived, though.

[feltdizz]

The last few posts mentioned several QBs... including Kapernick. I see Kap as one of those guys who was primarily a runner. Sure, he had his 15 minutes of fame. It was short lived, though.

Looking at Kaeps stats his last year before he was benched he wasn’t that bad.

He had 16 TD’s and just 4 INT’s in 11 starts.

SF fell off a cliff because Harbaugh lost the team and SF management is weird as hell.

We know now the rest but IMO if Kaep put his politics on hold he could still play in the NFL. It’s not due to his skill level.

[Ernie]

Looking at Kaeps stats his last year before he was benched he wasn’t that bad.

He had 16 TD’s and just 4 INT’s in 11 starts.

SF fell off a cliff because Harbaugh lost the team and SF management is weird as hell.

We know now the rest but IMO if Kaep put his politics on hold he could still play in the NFL. It’s not due to his skill level.

Here's a good article for you on Kaepernick:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794912/printable/value-of-colin-kaepernicks-activism-aside-qb-skills-are-suspect

[feltdizz]

Here's a good article for you on Kaepernick:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794912/printable/value-of-colin-kaepernicks-activism-aside-qb-skills-are-suspect

thats actually a terrible article. Referencing Spike Lee and Trump in the first few paragraphs? Huh?

Anyway, I totally forgot about Chip Kelly being his coach. That dude was awful. The OL and DL was awful. Chip Jelly’s offense was called predictable and bland by most DC’s. Players were calling out Chip Kelly’s plays by the way his teams lined up.

[Ernie]

I'm going to cut and paste a few paragraphs for you to reconsider:

What does the game film show?
It would be disingenuous to take the position that Kaepernick is not a uniquely talented quarterback. He's an incredibly gifted athlete with Superhero-like physical attributes that infamously led ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski to predict all-time greatness in the halcyon days of the 2013 read-option craze.
A cannon arm should grant Kaepernick the ability to make all of the NFL throws. With each passing season, though, it becomes more and more obvious that Kaepernick is a limited passer lacking the requisite touch, accuracy, anticipation and situational awareness of a franchise quarterback. By Thanksgiving of last season, all throws to wide receivers outside the numbers and downfield had vanished from the 49ers offense -- an ostensible concession from then-coach Chip Kelly that Kaepernick simply can't make those all-important throws with any degree of consistency.
As impressive as Kaepernick's 16:4 touchdown-to-interception ratio might seem without context, it reflects a remedial signal-caller being asked to make the simplest reads and easiest throws. A quintessential "see-it, throw-it" passer, Kaepernick waits for his targets to separate from coverage rather than anticipating the route and throwing his receivers open. As a natural byproduct of that playing style, third downs devolved into a wasteland of drive-killing sacks and ineffectual passes short of the sticks
Over the past three years, Kaepernick has ranked 30th, 34th and 29th in Football Outsiders' passing efficiency metrics -- and just fractionally better in Gregg Rosenthal's QB Index.

[Slapstick]

Ooo...Football Outsiders....

[Ernie]

thats actually a terrible article. Referencing Spike Lee and Trump in the first few paragraphs? Huh?

Anyway, I totally forgot about Chip Kelly being his coach. That dude was awful. The OL and DL was awful. Chip Jelly’s offense was called predictable and bland by most DC’s. Players were calling out Chip Kelly’s plays by the way his teams lined up.

My guess is this is because they had to "Dumb down" the playbook... develop plays that Kaep could actually make. His forte was running the Spread Option...which, in itself... it not something that's going to keep a guy around very long.

[Slapstick]

My guess is this is because they had to "Dumb down" the playbook... develop plays that Kaep could actually make. His forte was running the Spread Option...which, in itself... it not something that's going to keep a guy around very long.

That wasn’t Kaepernick...that was Kelly’s entire offense...

[Ernie]

Ooo...Football Outsiders....

Uh oh... Slappy to the rescue lol. Lets face it guys.. Kaep was damned near last in the league in passer efficiency 3 of the last years he was in the league. The political baggage he brings is just icing on the cake.

[Ernie]

That wasn’t Kaepernick...that was Kelly’s entire offense...

I guess the 31 other teams who refuse to sign him... are also wrong.