Game Over...Lamar Jackson...Ravens

[pfelix73]

He isn't an inaccurate passer is the thing. You haven't been paying attention and sticking to your ignorant selling points. He had zero WR help...many many drops. Second, he had no OL...running for his life. The guy has the best arm in the draft and can drop a football in a bucket at 50 yards. IMO, he has more tools than DeShaun Watson by a long shot. Bigger arm, faster feet, and Watson actually didn't progress through his reads as well as Jackson (when he actually had enough time). You speak from a place of ignorance and bias. Lets me be frank...you don't believe "running QBs" aka Black Qbs can have success in the league.

Yep. College is a whole other game. I think history backs me up on this too.

[pfelix73]

Shawn, your the one being ignorant. Everyone knows that behind Josh Allen, Jackson is the most inaccurate passer in this draft. At a 55-56 percent clip. He was down right dominated against good teams every time he faced them. And it wasn't because of a bunch of drops.

I don't believe in running QB's period. From Steve Grogan , to Randall Cunningham to Tim Tebow to Lamar Jackson. They don't win anything.

And your the one being ignorant and throwing out insults because you have NO DATA to back up what you say other then your own prejudice for athletes that pretend to be QB's. I have over 50 years of Super Bowls to show what running QBs win. What do you have????????????????????????

Exactly.

EXACTLY. What you said- spot on.

[feltdizz]

Yep. College is a whole other game. I think history backs me up on this too.

Not recent history.

Guys like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Deshaun Watson are making you guys look like fools for using these outdated excuses for why they can’t succeed in the pros.

and please spare me on the “how many won SB’s”

As long as your team is competitive and makes the playoffs most years you have a **** to win a SB.

...and being right about RG3? Ok. and what? Most QB’s whether pocket or mobile will fail ok the NFL. If RG3 wasn’t an idiot who demanded a pro offense instead of using his skill set like Cam, Russ and Deshaun.. plus he doesn’t respect the size of defenders and got rocked countless times instead of running out of bounds or sliding. RG3 surprised me because I heard he was pretty smart but his ego was out of control.

[Captain Lemming]

first time you were accurate

nice!

[Steel Maniac]

Yep. College is a whole other game. I think history backs me up on this too.

Go find an in accurate college qb that had a great nfl career.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Go find an in accurate college qb that had a great nfl career.

Brett Favre?

[Steel Maniac]

Great... okay . Lamar Jackson will be as great as Brett Farve. We all are going to by into that.
Ruth, I love your tanaciry.

[Steel Maniac]

The large majority of college QBs that are inaccurate do not become great nfl QBs. I have absolutely no worries about a qb that can’t read defenses, don’t understand schemes and is inaccurate at passing.

[Steel Maniac]

The qb position is played 70% above the neck; which also leaves Jackson out.

[Shoe]

same thing was said about Cam Newton.

Truth is, we really don’t know if he will grow or not.

Every QB Lamar is compared to didnt have the passing yardage he had in college.

You're right. And while Newton has become a star, it is much the same way that Mike Vick became one (apologies for listing other brothers, but it is what it is). A lot of the tangible skills that these guys have, don't translate to pro QB success. NFL QBs need some body thickness. This guy is a thin guy. Think of the best QBs today, and of the past. How many have lanky features? You gotta be a burly guy.

But the main thing is that he is inaccurate. No doubt he will make some amazing plays next year and beyond... and BTW, this is a guy I would have been fine with picking below Round 1, but I'm not worried that he is the next Wentz (in terms of impact) or anything.

[Steel Maniac]

Let me share some irony...

One of mike Vick’s significant injuries was from the Ravens early on in his caeer. He was running and Jamie Sharper caught him; he never saw Sharper.Afterwards, Sharper made a comment about a qb need’s to keep his ass in the pocket.

Now years later , they drafted Michael Vick 2.0 and he too will venture out the pocket and not see everything and get his bell rung too. If not worse. Oh how the mighty have fallen with the Ravens. Lol

[feltdizz]

You're right. And while Newton has become a star, it is much the same way that Mike Vick became one (apologies for listing other brothers, but it is what it is). A lot of the tangible skills that these guys have, don't translate to pro QB success. NFL QBs need some body thickness. This guy is a thin guy. Think of the best QBs today, and of the past. How many have lanky features? You gotta be a burly guy.

But the main thing is that he is inaccurate. No doubt he will make some amazing plays next year and beyond... and BTW, this is a guy I would have been fine with picking below Round 1, but I'm not worried that he is the next Wentz (in terms of impact) or anything.

He isn’t starting next year so he will have time to grow before he takes over.

Cam Newton isn’t a Mike Vick at all. While he made some plays with his legs he was a much better passer his rookie year than just about any other rookie QB.

Cam had 21 TD’s and an 85 passer rating his rookie year.

He broke Peyton’s record for most passing yards as a rookie QB.

Broke the record for most yards by a rookie in his first game. 422 yards.

He also has the most passing yards in the first 2 games as a rookie.

Carson Wentz’s rookie year wasn’t as good as Cams either.

This is why it’s not a good idea to compare QB’s just because they are black and mobile.

[feltdizz]

Randall Cunningham’s knee was shredded in the pocket when they tried to make him a pocket passer.

Carson Wentz gets praised all the time and how did he get injured? Does this make him a mobile QB?

QB’s get injured a variety of ways.

[pfelix73]

Not recent history.

Guys like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Deshaun Watson are making you guys look like fools for using these outdated excuses for why they can’t succeed in the pros.

and please spare me on the “how many won SB’s”

As long as your team is competitive and makes the playoffs most years you have a **** to win a SB.




...and being right about RG3? Ok. and what? Most QB’s whether pocket or mobile will fail ok the NFL. If RG3 wasn’t an idiot who demanded a pro offense instead of using his skill set like Cam, Russ and Deshaun.. plus he doesn’t respect the size of defenders and got rocked countless times instead of running out of bounds or sliding. RG3 surprised me because I heard he was pretty smart but his ego was out of control.

Well, I'm NOT going to spare you the SB wins argument, as that is what its all about, isn't it? Watson? We shall see...

[feltdizz]

Well, I'm NOT going to spare you the SB wins argument, as that is what its all about, isn't it? Watson? We shall see...

actually, I don’t think that’s what it’s all about.

Getting the the playoffs offs for a chance to win a SB is what it’s all about.

There are so many pocket QB’s that never sniff the playoffs let alone a SB appearance or a ring.

I can’t see how folks think there is only one way to win a SB when we recently watched Russel Wilson win a SB, come within one play of another SB the next year and Cam made a SB and was the MVP in 2015...

oh, and Kapernick also made a SB in 2013.

IMO its about having a chance to win a SB and we have seen mobile QB’s play well enough to have a shot at a SB win.

I cant see how folks swear it’s not possible when the evidence is right in front of our face that it is possible with these newer mobile QB’s who can also pass the ball.