Le'Veon Bell

[Northern_Blitz]

Personally, I think teams almost always get set back when they sign their QBs (Brady and Peyton Manning are the notable exceptions along with Steve Young when he bridged the initial salary cap). It's not a Lamar Jackson thing, it's more that it's really hard to build a complete roster when a QB (or any player for that matter) is taking up >15-20% of your salary cap. The Chiefs and Mahomes will be the next big test of this line of thinking. We've already seen it play out with Super Bowl winning teams when signing Russell Wilson, Roethlisberger (3rd contract, the 2nd wasn't really that prohibitive), Flacco, and Eli.

Yep.

But some people try to confirm their narrative no matter what.

I think the Mahomes contract is interesting because it's so long. It gives them a long time to keep kicking the can down the road. Which we were good at doing with Ben until he signed a short deal and the cap hit could only get pushed 1 year.

I can't see many players taking a deal that long though...the chance of the cap rising a ton in that time is too big IMO.

[Steel Maniac]

First let me state that I understand your position on LJ that he can't win playoff games due to his limited passing capabilities (currently, they can improve). However, your original assertion that LJ is setting the team back 5 years holds little if any water. If you extrapolate his current 3 year record of 30 - 7 over the next 2 years, you end with a 58-13 record and 5 playoff appearances.

I can't for the life of me see how being in the playoffs for 5 consecutive years is setting the team back 5 years? That would seem to be the exact opposite of being set back. Yeah, they may not win the SB but if you asked me to bet right now, I'd take the field over Tampa with Brady. It isn't easy to win a SB. Can LJ win a SB? We won't know until his career ends or he wins a SB, whichever comes first. Of course, with this success comes a big contract that Baltimore is going to have to pay out and that will definitely change the team make-up to be sure.

So, I'm onboard and can accept your opinion that LJ is not a playoff quarterback (for now) but I can't grasp your rationale that the Ravens have been set back 5 years, when, in fact, they probably have moved forward and past the majority of teams in ability to field a playoff caliber team, the Steelers included.

Pappy

Pappy, the Ravens are where they are because other than the QB position , the team is stacked well.

The Ravens were contenders with Flacco even as he was descending. You take the Ravens upper echelon defense away and their not a 500 team.

Because the defense in most games dictates game script; allowing Lamar to do long, time consuming drives while he’s not pushed to be in “hurry and score” situations that require him to accurately pass down the field..which he can’t do.

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise and he’s setting them back by stringing them along while never developing more than what we see right now. He’s wasting away a good team and it will be officially over when he gets that cap crunching extension.

[Moonie]

Tough decisions ahead for the Le'veon ball washers. Who do they want to win?

[hawaiiansteel]

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise.

[Oviedo]

Pappy, the Ravens are where they are because other than the QB position , the team is stacked well.

The Ravens were contenders with Flacco even as he was descending. You take the Ravens upper echelon defense away and their not a 500 team.

Because the defense in most games dictates game script; allowing Lamar to do long, time consuming drives while he’s not pushed to be in “hurry and score” situations that require him to accurately pass down the field..which he can’t do.

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise and he’s setting them back by stringing them along while never developing more than what we see right now. He’s wasting away a good team and it will be officially over when he gets that cap crunching extension.

nice change from your typical idiotic posts. Actually cogent

i agree with most of what you said.

[Northern_Blitz]

Pappy, the Ravens are where they are because other than the QB position , the team is stacked well.

The Ravens were contenders with Flacco even as he was descending. You take the Ravens upper echelon defense away and their not a 500 team.

Because the defense in most games dictates game script; allowing Lamar to do long, time consuming drives while he’s not pushed to be in “hurry and score” situations that require him to accurately pass down the field..which he can’t do.

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise and he’s setting them back by stringing them along while never developing more than what we see right now. He’s wasting away a good team and it will be officially over when he gets that cap crunching extension.

Now for fun, replace "Steelers" for "Ravens"; "Ben" for "Jackson"; and "Kordell / Maddox" for "Flacco".

Then you have what I think other fan bases were saying about Ben in his first few years. Even after the 1st SB win I think.

[papillon]

Pappy, the Ravens are where they are because other than the QB position , the team is stacked well.

The Ravens were contenders with Flacco even as he was descending. You take the Ravens upper echelon defense away and their not a 500 team.

Because the defense in most games dictates game script; allowing Lamar to do long, time consuming drives while he’s not pushed to be in “hurry and score” situations that require him to accurately pass down the field..which he can’t do.

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise and he’s setting them back by stringing them along while never developing more than what we see right now. He’s wasting away a good team and it will be officially over when he gets that cap crunching extension.

The Ravens were 4-5 with Flacco descending so they weren't a playoff team at that time. LJ stepped in and they ended up 10-6 and in the playoffs.

The same can be said for any team, that if you take away their best unit they won't win as many games. Take KCs offense away and the defense couldn't hold up, the Titans running game, the Bucs defense, and so on and so on. That is all speculation and isn't reality, the reality is that the Ravens do have a good defense nearly every year and the addition of LJ has put them in the playoffs for three consecutive years and I don't see it changing this year.

The Ravens aren't being "allowed" to take long time consuming drives, they impose that offense on a defense by running the ball better than anyone else in the league, partly because LJ isn't a complete passer yet. But, you would think knowing this that defenses around the league would load up the box and stop the run and force him to pass and yet, they still win games. He will win games in a different way than an elite passer, he won't be able to do it as long because speed and quickness are the first athletic traits to diminish over time. LJ is only 23 years old, he'll be in peak condition for another 5 years (barring injury) and will be able to do what he does during that time. The Ravens will win a lot of games. If the Steelers can manage the cap with Ben's contract or TJs, the Ravens will manage their cap with LJs contract.

Anyhow, two sides to the same story, we'll see who's right in the next few years, although, I have to say that right now your "setting back" the Ravens franchise regardless how you define it hasn't happened yet.

Pappy

[feltdizz]

Pappy, the Ravens are where they are because other than the QB position , the team is stacked well.

The Ravens were contenders with Flacco even as he was descending. You take the Ravens upper echelon defense away and their not a 500 team.

Because the defense in most games dictates game script; allowing Lamar to do long, time consuming drives while he’s not pushed to be in “hurry and score” situations that require him to accurately pass down the field..which he can’t do.

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise and he’s setting them back by stringing them along while never developing more than what we see right now. He’s wasting away a good team and it will be officially over when he gets that cap crunching extension.

The Ravens had ONE 10 win season since their SB run in 2012. They made the playoffs once in those 5 years before Lamar was inserted at QB.

They were not contenders when they were descending with Flacco. This is why they moved up to draft Lamar. You said it was a mistake and they have made the playoffs every year since he pit a helmet on.

How does a good Ravens defense ALLOW Lamar and the offense to go on long drives? That makes no damn sense.

We had a great defense in 2019. It didn’t allow our offense to have long drives.

Sorry SM but that type of logic is why you look foolish.

[moninghaly]

Pappy, the Ravens are where they are because other than the QB position , the team is stacked well.

The Ravens were contenders with Flacco even as he was descending. You take the Ravens upper echelon defense away and their not a 500 team.

Because the defense in most games dictates game script; allowing Lamar to do long, time consuming drives while he’s not pushed to be in “hurry and score” situations that require him to accurately pass down the field..which he can’t do.

There are different ways to “ set back” a franchise and he’s setting them back by stringing them along while never developing more than what we see right now. He’s wasting away a good team and it will be officially over when he gets that cap crunching extension.

i agree with you

[hawaiiansteel]

i agree with you

that's funny, your very first post.

Steel Maniac, did you create a new profile so someone would agree with you?

[NJ-STEELER]

The Ravens had ONE 10 win season since their SB run in 2012. They made the playoffs once in those 5 years before Lamar was inserted at QB.

They were not contenders when they were descending with Flacco. This is why they moved up to draft Lamar. You said it was a mistake and they have made the playoffs every year since he pit a helmet on.

How does a good Ravens defense ALLOW Lamar and the offense to go on long drives? That makes no damn sense.

We had a great defense in 2019. It didn’t allow our offense to have long drives.

Sorry SM but that type of logic is why you look foolish.

moved up to draft lamaar?

They passed on him 3 times in the first round. If they were so in love with him like you’re suggesting why didn’t they pick him at 24.
After moving from pick 16 to 22 then to pick 24

[feltdizz]

moved up to draft lamaar?

They passed on him 3 times in the first round. If they were so in love with him like you’re suggesting why didn’t they pick him at 24.
After moving from pick 16 to 22 then to pick 24

When did I suggest they were in love with him?

“In order to move up, the ravens sent their 52nd, 125th picks and a 2019 second-round selection to Philadelphia in exchange for the 32nd and 132nd selections this year.”

They didn’t think he would be available so they traded picks to move up.

Do you think moving up only applies to a teams first pick?

[NJ-STEELER]

The Ravens had ONE 10 win season since their SB run in 2012. They made the playoffs once in those 5 years before Lamar was inserted at QB.

They were not contenders when they were descending with Flacco. This is why they moved up to draft Lamar.
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have someone read that to you and come back and tell us what it sounds like.

if they were so confident n lamaar changing around their franchise like you claim here, why would they pass him up just a few picks earlier ?

[feltdizz]

have someone read that to you and come back and tell us what it sounds like.

if they were so confident n lamaar changing around their franchise like you claim here, why would they pass him up just a few picks earlier ?

Because they probably didn’t think he was the only one who could change around their franchise.

[Oviedo]

OMG...can we please move this to NFL Talk. This has nothing to do with the Steelers

If anyone knows the mod...please please ask him to move this