Le'Veon Bell

[Eich]

Funny how this argument never ends!

I'll always maintain that Bell was/is a great player. ESPECIALLY when combined with the offense we had a few years ago. But I've never thought he was SO good, that it justified significantly re-setting the bar for how a running back is paid. The Steelers offers to him were MORE than fair. And I think in the end both he and the Steelers would have been more successful and Bell would have made more money overall, had he listened to his mom and stayed with the Steelers.

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Funny how this argument never ends!

I'll always maintain that Bell was/is a great player. ESPECIALLY when combined with the offense we had a few years ago. But I've never thought he was SO good, that it justified significantly re-setting the bar for how a running back is paid. The Steelers offers to him were MORE than fair. And I think in the end both he and the Steelers would have been more successful and Bell would have made more money overall, had he listened to his mom and stayed with the Steelers.

I think Bell would have been better off. The Steelers not so much.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Funny how this argument never ends!

I'll always maintain that Bell was/is a great player. ESPECIALLY when combined with the offense we had a few years ago. But I've never thought he was SO good, that it justified significantly re-setting the bar for how a running back is paid. The Steelers offers to him were MORE than fair. And I think in the end both he and the Steelers would have been more successful and Bell would have made more money overall, had he listened to his mom and stayed with the Steelers.

I agree. Bell brought a lot to the offense. He was a great fit for the Steelers offense.

I didn't think he would reset the market either. Everything would worked out for him if he singed the contract the Steelers offered. Bell was in a good situation with the Steelers. Unfortunately he probably didn't realize it until recently. He still was paid a lot of money. Win win for Bell.

People that have an ax to grind against Bell want to say he wasn't worth it. Bell certainly would had made the Steelers a better team the past two seasons.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I think Bell would have been better off. The Steelers not so much.

That's because you forgot what Bell brought to the team.

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That's because you forgot what Bell brought to the team.

I remember. I also don't remember winning anything with him.
I also know that some bigger contributors wouldn't be on this team to accommodate Bell's contract.

[feltdizz]

I remember. I also don't remember winning anything with him.
I also know that some bigger contributors wouldn't be on this team to accommodate Bell's contract.

We won a lot more than we lost with him on the field.

I know it’s hard for some of you SB or bust fans to appreciate contributions that don’t end in a SB.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I remember. I also don't remember winning anything with him.
I also know that some bigger contributors wouldn't be on this team to accommodate Bell's contract.

They won a lot of games with Bell. One goal of an organization is to put the best team together that they possibly can within reason.

Bell contributed plenty as a runner and receiver duel threat. What "bigger" contributors wouldn't be on the team if the organization was able to work out a deal with Bell?

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They won a lot of games with Bell. One goal of an organization is to put the best team together that they possibly can within reason.

Bell contributed plenty as a runner and receiver duel threat. What "bigger" contributors wouldn't be on the team if the organization was able to work out a deal with Bell?

No one is disputing that Bell didn't put up great numbers and helped win some regular season games.
Who says it was a better team with him compared to without?
I guess you'd have to pick what players that would equal 15+ each of the last 2 seasons and this coming one to figure out how to keep Bell around.

[feltdizz]

No one is disputing that Bell didn't put up great numbers and helped win some regular season games.
Who says it was a better team with him compared to without?
I guess you'd have to pick what players that would equal 15+ each of the last 2 seasons and this coming one to figure out how to keep Bell around.

Bell broke the single game rushing record in consecutive playoff games in 2017.

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Bell broke the single game rushing record in consecutive playoff games in 2017.

Cool. How did he do the 3rd game?
How about the other playoff games?

[BURGH86STEEL]

No one is disputing that Bell didn't put up great numbers and helped win some regular season games.
Who says it was a better team with him compared to without?
I guess you'd have to pick what players that would equal 15+ each of the last 2 seasons and this coming one to figure out how to keep Bell around.

Dont guess.

The Steelers could had found ways to make it work with Bell and any players they signed. Maybe some players would had taken less money? Maybe the organization could had reworked contracts to free up money? They could had offered different contact structures to players. There are ways to make it work if the Steelers wanted to keep or sign players.

Another thing. Most NFL players don't seem to get paid X amount of dollars per year. A lot of contracts are back loaded or have other stipulations to earn money. That's how the Steelers deal with Bell was structured. It's how it's structured with the Jets. Teams are reluctant to cut players early in deals because of the way the guaranteed/signing bonus money could impact the salary cap.

I believe the Steelers deal with Bell was basically a 3 year deal with 4th year option. The Steelers could had gotten out after the 2nd year. The Jets deal is probably similar. The Jets will find it "easier" to cut or trade Bell after the 2nd year.

[feltdizz]

Dont guess.

The Steelers could had found ways to make it work with Bell and any players they signed. Maybe some players would had taken less money? Maybe the organization could had reworked contracts to free up money? They could had offered different contact structures to players. There are ways to make it work if the Steelers wanted to keep or sign players.

Another thing. Most NFL players don't seem to get paid X amount of dollars per year. A lot of contracts are back loaded or have other stipulations to earn money. That's how the Steelers deal with Bell was structured. It's how it's structured with the Jets. Teams are reluctant to cut players early in deals because of the way the guaranteed/signing bonus money could impact the salary cap.

I believe the Steelers deal with Bell was basically a 3 year deal with 4th year option. The Steelers could had gotten out after the 2nd year. The Jets deal is probably similar. The Jets will find it "easier" to cut or trade Bell after the 2nd year.

He knows this... lol.

[whatever]

Dont guess.

The Steelers could had found ways to make it work with Bell and any players they signed. Maybe some players would had taken less money? Maybe the organization could had reworked contracts to free up money? They could had offered different contact structures to players. There are ways to make it work if the Steelers wanted to keep or sign players.

Another thing. Most NFL players don't seem to get paid X amount of dollars per year. A lot of contracts are back loaded or have other stipulations to earn money. That's how the Steelers deal with Bell was structured. It's how it's structured with the Jets. Teams are reluctant to cut players early in deals because of the way the guaranteed/signing bonus money could impact the salary cap.

I believe the Steelers deal with Bell was basically a 3 year deal with 4th year option. The Steelers could had gotten out after the 2nd year. The Jets deal is probably similar. The Jets will find it "easier" to cut or trade Bell after the 2nd year.

I realize this, to an extent.
People need to realize that at some point you can only do this for so many players.
Why not just do this with Dupree and Hargrave this year?
Might as well do it for Hooper, Henry, Dak and Cooper as long as they are at it.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

The Steelers could had gotten out after the 2nd year. The Jets deal is probably similar. The Jets will find it "easier" to cut or trade Bell after the 2nd year.

The Jets deal with Bell is a little different than most, but is still easily cancelled after two years.

First year (2019) - signing bonus, roster bonus, and salary all guaranteed.
Second year (2020) - signing bonus, roster bonus, and salary all guaranteed. This is a reason why it is so difficult to trade him right now. Usually an acquiring team gets a player in trade and nothing is guaranteed. A large signing bonus is eaten by the original team, and the new team has a smaller salary every year and the option to cut a player for free if it doesn't work out. However, in this case, a team who trades for Bell right now must guarantee in 2020 an almost $5M roster bonus plus $8.5M contract. Cap hit to new team almost $13.5M guaranteed.

After this season, if the Jets want to cut Bell, they will have $4M in dead money hit and he will have played 2 years - $28M+. Cap savings if cut after 2020 is $9.5M in '21 and $15M in '22.

[feltdizz]

I realize this, to an extent.
People need to realize that at some point you can only do this for so many players.
Why not just do this with Dupree and Hargrave this year?
Might as well do it for Hooper, Henry, Dak and Cooper as long as they are at it.

The point is it can only do it for so many players...

mans it’s usually the players that are most productive.

not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.

paying someone 13 to 15 mill when they are responsible
for 40 percent of your offense isn’t a bad investment.

Everyone said we could replace his production on the cheap.. we couldn’t.

and here we are with a poo poo offense.