Haden Rumor

[pittpete]

Using your logic then every DB in the league needs to be graded on if they faced a starter or 2nd stringer.
If you are an NFL QB you are an NFL QB.
You can't pick and choose because it makes your point LOL.
Do you throw out the Cleveland game because of Kizer?
Hell, the Bears had Glennon start vs. us.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Haden saves 4million

Cutting Haden pre-June 1 saves over $8M this season.

[Steel Maniac]

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora "continues to hear" that LCB Marcus Peters "may not be long" for Kansas City.

La Canfora is not the first to mention a potential Peters trade, and he expects that chatter to "intensify" at the NFL Combine. The Chiefs were left in horrible salary-cap condition by fired GM John Dorsey and may not believe they can fit a forthcoming Peters extension onto their books. For 2018, however, Peters is signed for just $1.74 million. Ideally, the Chiefs would keep Peters for at least one more year, and perhaps revisit a trade next offseason.

[Steel Maniac]

Marcus Peters was another player who almost fell into our arms. I remember when the Chiefs took him I banged my fist on the desk because I wanted him.

[pittpete]

Cutting Haden pre-June 1 saves over $8M this season.

Yes and dead $$$ would be almost 4 million.
Steelers are not cutting Haden fellas, LOL

[feltdizz]

Using your logic then every DB in the league needs to be graded on if they faced a starter or 2nd stringer.
If you are an NFL QB you are an NFL QB.
You can't pick and choose because it makes your point LOL.
Do you throw out the Cleveland game because of Kizer?
Hell, the Bears had Glennon start vs. us.

What the hell are you talking about? I’m simply saying the Hopkin stat is misleading and shouldn’t be used as proof he is a shut down corner.

I think Haden is a great corner. The best we have. However, I wouldn’t use the Texan game to make my point.

Loon at it this way. How many times have people on here ripped our 5th ranked pass defense because we played a bunch of back up QB’s???

It’s funny to hear you make this argument. Let’s see what you say when Ben retires and we don’t have a franchise QB on the roster. All we hear on here is how it’s gojng to be the 80’s all over again but all a sudden it doesn’t matter who is under center since they are in the NFL?

the hill some of you choose to die on is so weird. Lol.

[feltdizz]

Let me add. I like Haden. I want to keep Haden. However I would like to save a few dollars if possible. His zone coverage was pretty shaken IMO.

[Slapstick]

I NEVER used the term “shut down corner” with Joe Haden...I actually hate that term because it is loaded with unrealistic expectations...

I merely stated that Joe Haden covered the guy who is possibly the best WR in the league not named Brown very well...

Which, he did...

[Steel Maniac]

I NEVER used the term “shut down corner” with Joe Haden...I actually hate that term because it is loaded with unrealistic expectations...

I merely stated that Joe Haden covered the guy who is possibly the best WR in the league not named Brown very well...

Which, he did...

Slap, I agree with you; he did cover Nuke well that day. He discouraged that QB from throwing that way for most of the day.

[feltdizz]

Slap, I agree with you; he did cover Nuke well that day. He discouraged that QB from throwing that way for most of the day.

He threw the ball 16 times...total.

Texans were terrible without Watson.

Most QB’s throw 16 times in one half or one quarter.

So good Haden discouraged Yates from throwing the ball anywhere. LOL.

[pittpete]

I am right, you are wrong.

[Captain Lemming]

The point is Yates isn’t All Pro, he wasn’t even second string, so you can’t really judge how effective Haden was when Yates was throwing him the football.

Did you really call San Francisco a normal defense?

Yes, 20th is pretty “normal”

See dude, this is exactly what I’m talking about. You are really good at throwing stats and hiding your hand. Sam Fran was garbage on D until Jimmy G got there and they started dominating time of possession on offense.

You act like this wasn’t a Jimmy G game Dizz.
Jimmy G was THERE and they DID dominate time of possession and Hopkins still had 11 catches for 149 and two touchdowns.

Since you wanted to try to create this false narrative about the Niners, lets go there
Let me repeat 11 catches, 149 yards, 2 touchdowns.
By ANY POSSIBLE MEASURE Hopkins had EASILY the best individual receiving performance against the Niners in 2017 and Yates was QB. I say holding THAT GUY to 16 yards before “garbage time” (your logic) IS quite the accomplishment.

Does that make Yates a great QB? No.
What it shows is that Hopkins can dominate as a receiver NO MATTER the QB.
Proof? All Pro with MOSTLY backup QBs.

[feltdizz]

San Fran is/was garbage on D.

[Slapstick]

San Fran is/was garbage on D.

Yep. They didn’t have a CB that could cover Hopkins like we do...

[Northern_Blitz]

Yes and dead $$$ would be almost 4 million.
Steelers are not cutting Haden fellas, LOL

I think that the discussion about Haden loops back to the discussion about Bell.

If we only had $7M cap space left, would you rather:
1) Keep Haden and use the money to sign an above average RB (or maybe 2 avg RBs with complementary skills), OR
2) Cut Haden and use the cap savings to sign Bell to the tag?

I don't think it will actually come down to an either or situation like this.

But, if I had to make the choice I think that the team is better with a "very good" Haden at CB and a "good" RB over an "average" Sutton and an "exceptional" Bell. I might lean the other way if the O on the whole was only average, but I think that our O is still top 5-10 in the league without Bell and our D is a tire fire without Haden (still not that good with him if we don't make at least one significant add).