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It's hard to argue with the logic. I do believe this team is underachieving and it does make you wonder why. Is it Tomlin? Is it Haley? Butler? Too many me first players? I would suggest its all of the above. Solution? Clean house? Maybe but who is really out there better at coaching than Tomlin? The second winningest coach in the NFL behind the great cheater Belichick. Fire Haley. Fire Butler. Get two young, energetic, innovatove and talented college coordinators and see what they can do with all this talent.
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If you want to bring in someone new for defense, I could understand. The defense is, for the most part, still very young with a smattering of veteran players...
The offense, I would not change very much. Clearly, the players are talented and work well...if this were going to be Ben's second year, I could get behind it. But, this will be year 15. He isn't Carson Palmer, looking for work...or Peyton Manning, coming off a career threatening injury... They simply need different situational play calling. Less cutesy...less toss sweep on 4th and 1 vs the fastest D in the league...Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.Comment
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we had no problem repalcing noll, we had no problem replacing cowher, we would have no problem replacing tomlin.
nobody ever heard or cowher , nobody ever heard of tomlin before they were hired.
i cant understand why fans have to say, 'well, who is out there that is better'?
just about any coach could come into this organization and be successfulsteelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clownComment
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That’s why the Steelers don’t choose just anybody...Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.Comment
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Tomlin racks up a lot of regular season wins. Fantastic. Sure helps when Cleveland and Cincy are in your division. But he gets drastically outcoached in almost every big game, and he's simply too arrogant and/or stubborn to ever change. Why people still hug his nuts is beyond me. If Sunday wasn't proof of his incompetence, then his supporters clearly have an agenda that isn't Super Bowl relatedComment
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you have some people here that are invested in tomlin as something more than a head football coach
not hard to figure out what that isComment
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I think Tomlin is a very good coach with a giant blind spot in his football IQ when it comes to time management, onside kicks, 2 pt conversions. In other words, stuff that any 16 year old should have down. It blows my mind that he can be so good at the rest of it and yet not know this stuff and apparently there is no urgency in the organization to fix this gap in his coaching.
Other than that, I think it is clear he allowed the players to look ahead this year and even encouraged it. At the time, I figured the Patriots were in their heads and his thinking was we will face them head on and not be afraid to play them. Almost worked. But I have no idea why the team gave Jacksonville so much locker room material. Makes no sense at all.Comment
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To play devil's advocate here...you do realize that the Pats have 5 gimmee wins every year in their division as well. Buffalo/Jets and their home game against the fish.
I think getting rid of someone who racks up 13 wins in as season and within a gnats eyelash of beating the Pats to get to 14 wins shouldn't get fired.
I do believe changes need to be made. And while some here believe it's not a big deal...I do think the team discipline thing does need to be addressed.
Tomlin has made mistakes, but remember Bellechik has his boneheaded plays too (remember the 4th and 2 chest thump against the Colts a few years back).
If you ask me what I think is needed...I think there has to be a change in philosophy and culture. You don't play to the level of your opponent you come out and gameplan to exploit a team's weakness.
Someone said they are sick of comparing the Steelers to the Patriot way. We aren't them and we will never be them.
I am ok with the statement at face value. But I have two questions (they are honest asks not a criticism in any way shape or form)
1) What is the Steeler way?
2) The Patriot way gets you to 7 consecutive AFC championship games. While I get we won't be them, don't you think we should incorporate some of what they do to be successful in the answer to 1 above and make what works for us part of the "Steeler Way"?
and if you answer yes to 2...what do you think we can take from them (ok smarta$$ery of cheating aside
) that we could match up with the Steeler way and be successful.
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The "Culture" certainly needs to change. I am not sure how you change it without changing the head coach though. Maybe its a matter of getting rid of the players who are the "Me first" types? It certainly appears they are drafting high character guys. Maybe its a gradual "Purging" of the system so to speak.Comment
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1)The Steeler way was smash mouth football and stop the run/physical defense.To play devil's advocate here...you do realize that the Pats have 5 gimmee wins every year in their division as well. Buffalo/Jets and their home game against the fish.
I think getting rid of someone who racks up 13 wins in as season and within a gnats eyelash of beating the Pats to get to 14 wins shouldn't get fired.
I do believe changes need to be made. And while some here believe it's not a big deal...I do think the team discipline thing does need to be addressed.
Tomlin has made mistakes, but remember Bellechik has his boneheaded plays too (remember the 4th and 2 chest thump against the Colts a few years back).
If you ask me what I think is needed...I think there has to be a change in philosophy and culture. You don't play to the level of your opponent you come out and gameplan to exploit a team's weakness.
Someone said they are sick of comparing the Steelers to the Patriot way. We aren't them and we will never be them.
I am ok with the statement at face value. But I have two questions (they are honest asks not a criticism in any way shape or form)
1) What is the Steeler way?
2) The Patriot way gets you to 7 consecutive AFC championship games. While I get we won't be them, don't you think we should incorporate some of what they do to be successful in the answer to 1 above and make what works for us part of the "Steeler Way"?
and if you answer yes to 2...what do you think we can take from them (ok smarta$$ery of cheating aside ) that we could match up with the Steeler way and be successful.
brothervad
Somewhere along the way the fans and FO believed it was a passing league and decided we didn’t need a Casey Hampton to anchor our 3-4. We got smaller and faster on defense and I think the H2H/CTE also hurt us because Deebo became the face of our nasty defense that tried to hurt people.
I think anither problem is our passing attack. It’s awesome when it’s awesome but it’s down right ugly when it’s ugly. Ben on the road can be such a head scratcher.
Last but not least I think Ben was better when he was more efficient. The yards are cool but the RZ is still a struggle for too
much of the season and I’m not a fan of 55 pass attempt games. Part of the reason though is lack of turnovers. We need more splash plays and playmakers on defense.
2) Only thing I believe we need to incorporate from the Pats is team first. That means discipline and doing that little bit extra for the team to win games. One thing I admire about the Pats is their hunger for the football. After the first guy wraps up the second guy goes for the ball. Even when they fumble the ball and there are 10 players from the other team around them they find a way to come up with the ball.
We we will never have what they have in Brady. That’s not possible. I still think Ben has more left in the tank but I want game manager Ben and not the passive aggressive QB who refuses to run a QB sneak because he doesn’t like the OC. Haley needs to go. Porter needs to go. Lake might need to go. Butler would go if it was up to me but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is retained. Personally I think he isn’t cut out for this gig. We tried but he failed 2 years in a row. Show him the door.
Tomlin needs to get these guys in a room and put some fear in them. Maybe cut a guy like Dupree to let people know he is serious about changing the culture.
Really, it’s the defense. We used to get short fields and turnovers at key times and lately it’s just been big play after big play.Steelers 27
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Tomlin's getting his cage rattled right now.... which is a good thing I think. I saw earlier today that the minority ownership of the Steelers is going to petition Rooney to fire him. While its very unlikely to work, I think it sends the right message. Also, Tomlin and staff are getting absolutely destroyed today on the NFL Network etc. This, again, is a good thing in my opinion. The team's focus down the stretch was on the AFCC game (when it wasn't on their own contracts, etc) and Tomlin fed into that narrative. They did a terrible job on the 2-3 week layoff in getting the team prepared for what the whole world knew the JAGS were going to do to us offensively. I don't know how you fix the low situational football IQ. Maybe we can find an OC who can make the right calls on 4th and inches.Comment
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Tomlin is a great motivator and always seems to say the right things with much bravado.
I dont think he's much of an X's and O's guy.
Cowher wasn't either and had trouble winning the big ones, just like Tomlin.
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