Just got back from Heinz part deux......

[brothervad]

Starlifter,

Great post! Very well thought and I wish I could've state similar thoughts in as concise of a manner. I get what you are saying about Ben's amazing play. A great deal of them were born out of desparation.

You can be amazed at Ben's ability to deliver the ball but also realize that they are called low % plays for a reason. In fact, its more frustrating because they can make these plays. It goes to your point about "The Patriot Way".

It has become quite a well known fact, even with the talking heads the Steelers play to the level of their competition.

Last night, the first two drives yielded punts by the Pats. Once the Titans scored I said out loud, "Well now the Patriots will turn it on." And like a switch. And bad calls notwithstanding they never looked back.

I mentioned earlier in another thread I am seeing the end of a run here in Seattle (analytically). About 7 seasons and it's over. Now they have Russell Wilson but the real heart of this franchise is that D.

They have 1 superbowl win and 1 loss and a bunch of playoff games to their name.

My point is simple...the window is closing and it's closing fast. I've watched Landry Jones try to connect with Brown in spot starts in the past. There is something missing and it's something amazing. Ben/AB have ESP. It's like they have a shared brain.

Ben isn't going to stay until 40 ( I am willing to bet money on this one). I think he has 1-2 seasons left tops.

The Steelers front office needs to realize this and take one more shot with the right coaches. And I too do not mean Tomlin goes. But there needs to be an evaluation on what it takes to get another Lombardi without mortgaging the future.

I don't know what that is - I don't get paid to make those decisions. But I agree with you Starlifter...this is not working and I think Andy Reid +1 is a very spot on assessment.

Brothervad

[pittpete]

But what if Ben ran a sneak and actually got the first down?

[Starlifter]

Totally agree Felt. If you can’t use your huge QB to get 6 inches in a critical situation then get his brittle a$$ off the field. Brady runs the sneak all the time without issue. Using possible injury as an excuse is moronic.

and let's be honest. If you take Tomlin at his word that he plays to win - why wouldn't you try a sneak? tomlin has taken risks in many other situations. think last years baltimore game as one example. no sir, I don't think the possibility ben getting earholed is the reason they don't run a qb sneak.

[brothervad]

But what if Ben ran a sneak and actually got the first down?

The thing is both of those failed 4th and 1's resulted in TD's the other way. No crystal ball but you are on the 21 yard line on the first drive trailing 14-0. The second drive the Steelers were on Jags 39 trailing 28-21.

It's hard to say at this point. I am sure if the Steelers get stopped after the first drive and don't get it in and it was stalled at 4th and 10 at the 20 yard line, they at least get 3 there. The second one at the Jags 38 would likely need at least 3 or 4 more yards to take a shot at 3.

It's all wishful thinking at this point. But you would like to think one of those two drives leads us a minimum of 3 points.

brothervad

[Ernie]

and let's be honest. If you take Tomlin at his word that he plays to win - why wouldn't you try a sneak? tomlin has taken risks in many other situations. think last years baltimore game as one example. no sir, I don't think the possibility ben getting earholed is the reason they don't run a qb sneak.

"Ben getting earholed" lol..

Much greater chance of getting him hurt being exposed in the pocket... with a linebacker bearing down with a full head of steam. I am sure we are the only team in the league that doesn't have the "QB sneak" in the playbook. Oh well, maybe we will install it sometime between now and September...with a new Offensive Coordinator.

[feltdizz]

The excuses for not calling a QB sneak are infuriating and make me wonder if it's some type of power play by Ben. It sounds like it's the one play he refuses to do anymore and the reasons why sound bogus as hell.

[Ernie]

The excuses for not calling a QB sneak are infuriating and make me wonder if it's some type of power play by Ben. It sounds like it's the one play he refuses to do anymore and the reasons why sound bogus as hell.

I agree 100% dizz. Those 2 play calls were absolute momentum killers, and 2 of the worst play calls I've ever seen. Im just trying to decide which call was worse.

[steelguin]

We didn't even need a QB sneak. Just give Bell the ball right up the middle, or Nix. You don't call a toss sweep needing 1 yard.

[Northern_Blitz]

I don't understand why everyone thinks that Ben was lucky today, his throws to Brown, Bryant and Bell were incredible, Browns catch was excellent, the other two have to be made, period. Ben was not the problem today, struggled early but he got it together and was stellar the rest of the way. The lateral to Bell is just a heads up football play, the same with the fake lateral that allowed him to get a first down running the ball, which isn't his forte.

Pappy

This. I was ready to blame Ben towards the end of the 1st. But, he played a pretty amazing 3 quarters of football after a rocky start. It's great to see that ability to bounce back. It's too bad that the D just couldn't hold on any of the times we got to within 7.

[Northern_Blitz]

We didn't even need a QB sneak. Just give Bell the ball right up the middle, or Nix. You don't call a toss sweep needing 1 yard.

Bell is awesome, but I don't think banging out 1 yard is his strong suit. It's why we typically don't do all that well on goal line rushes either. He's better when the D is spread out and he can use his blockers.

Our interior lineman are also awesome, but more because they are mobile and not because they are road graders for short running situations.

But, I still would have liked to see a QB sneak called, or a run up the gut. Jacksonville's D is too fast to try to run around the edge like that. Too bad that JuJu couldn't make the catch on the 2nd one (even though he was also pretty clearly held).

[Steel Maniac]

well, I DID stop to consume large quantities of alcohol first - but now I'm home and it's time to share my thoughts. A couple of disclaimers first, no emotion hopefully - just some sober analysis. Also, while I'm not a shameless Tomlin cheerleader (he does fine by himself...) I believe he is a very good coach.

But after a loss like this, it's time to really look at what we squandered this year.

I know many will point to 42 points against the #2 defense in the NFL and say this loss is on the defense. While of course this loss is on the defense, the 42 points does not give the offense a free pass. Here's why.

Did we score those 42 points because of scheme? because of play calling? because of a clever innovative design that left our WR's open in space? nope. We scored those points because Ben chucked it down field and our guys made plays. We scored because Ben scrambled and was able to throw a lateral while in street ball mode. We scored when Haley's plays broke down and our guys had to rely on their talent to make it happen. Can you imagine what this offense might do with some young innovative guru?

Bottom line, you have a top tier O-Line, the best RB in the league (who is also a bruiser when needed) a 250 lb QB and you don't trust them to get a few inches on 4th down. That alone says everything you need to know about Haley.

Haley should NOT be renewed.

As for the Defense. It's convenient to point to the loss of Shazier. We were certainly a shell without him. No speed in the middle, no depth at inner LB. But like Haley, Butler HAS playmakers. We let the jags push us around. we either blew assignments or the jags had an offense to free up people in space. We fell for screen passes again - even though every team runs them on us constantly, especially teams with bad QB's like Jacksonville. I realize there's only so much money to go around - but we have a LOT of #1 picks on the defensive side. We upgraded our secondary with Haden. How have the Jags been able to turn their defense around in such a short time while we are in what seems to be the 5th year of our 'rebuilding' process. How have the Eagles been able to go from worst to first in defense?

I think Butler has shown just how far he can take this group. And it's not far enough.

I know it seems terribly reactionary to be calling for both coordinators to be replaced after a playoff loss - but this loss was not an aberration. While the steelers finished 13-3 and that's a terrific record, they were clawing and scratching for wins most of the year. 4 last second FG's to win. Allowing career games against journeymen QB's and backups. Unless you want to offer the theory that we have put 22 men on the field who simply aren't good enough - then you have to consider the possibility that it's coaching, schemes and outside factors that are hurting this group.


Which brings me to Tomlin.

The Rooney's will never fire Mike Tomlin. Not after 13-3 and another playoff run. But I must confess, while I think he's a good coach. I am really starting to think he's about one game better than Andy Reid. In other words, he makes the playoffs and can get one win - but can't push it over the goal line. I don't detract from his SB victory because it was largely Cowher players - but as we move further and further from that group, he has to be held accountable.

There are many ways to run a team and how to coach. NE certainly is the gold standard. I'm not suggesting we adopt the 'patriot way' - but it's hard not to look at the difference between the two organizations and think that a little 'patriot' discipline would be a good thing in Pittsburgh.

Let me put it this way. Would the patriots ever talk about anything other than the next game? Do patriots players use social media to criticize their teammates or look past opponents? Does anyone know who the patriots 'end zone celebration' coordinator is? do they even have one or organize celebrations at all? I know many are saying the jags will present a problem for brady. Perhaps. But the steelers let tebow beat them only to watch him get squashed by the pats. If they do the same thing to the jags - can we not start to say the Tomlin way will win you lots of games. The Tomlin way is great for sound bites. The Tomlin way is exciting, full of drama and full of energy. But the Tomlin way doesn't win superbowls?


As I said, the Rooney's will never fire Tomlin. BUT - Dan is no longer with us. Art II is on his own. Is it possible Art II looks at this team and thinks - we have the horses. We have players on both sides. I can't blow up the 53 - so how do I get this team over the hump? Is it just a matter of replacing coordinators? How does that fix the problem of a Coach who has a reputation for playing down to the lesser teams in the league? And if you're looking for the simplest method to make a drastic change with the team without blowing up your roster - doesn't if have to start with the HC?

It's been interesting the last week or so listening to the pundits talk about the HC openings and the best jobs out there. Imagine this.

The Steelers remove Tomlin and the staff on Tuesday. At that moment the Steelers become the #1 prize HC position in the league. They can have whomever they want. They have a HOF QB, Brown, Bell, Bryant. JuJu. They DO have solid players on defense. This is a team that someone can come in to and have immediate success.

I can't believe I'm actually advocating for a total overhaul. That seems to reactionary and too quick after an emotional loss. But i believe we have great players. So if the players aren't the issue, then it has to start at the top. Replacing the OC and DC but keeping the HC is nothing but window dressing.

People talk about Matt Patrician going to Detroit.

With what he's done with the NE defense this year, with what he's learned from BB. I think if the Steelers called him on Tuesday, we'd be able to announce him Tuesday afternoon. I also think highly of Josh McDaniels. I know it's easy to paint him as a guru with Brady as his QB - but his offense is well designed, innovative and is always attacking. McDaniels would have called a QB sneak on 4th and inches.

But my opinion doesn't mean squat and the Steelers aren't going to change their stripes. Tomlin will be back. Ben will be back. We'll probably have a new OC. There will be lots of wins next year. There will be drama and excitement. There will likely be another playoff run.

But I don't think there will be a Lombardi. I'd love to be proven wrong of course - but this season, this loss - has now put me in the camp of doubters. It's not just a one game tough loss. It's a body of work that demonstrates success, but not dominance. We have the talent to be a dominant team. But I think we're going to be stuck with just being a good team and if the dominoes fall our way - maybe we get #7. But that Lombardi will have to fall to us. I no longer think Tomlin is the HC who can reach out and TAKE it.

The Steelers were on the edge all year. Some great moments for sure - but this season really leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I think the Steelers squandered a great team and a great opportunity.

Oh well.......

Great post. Spot on. Haley and Butler should not be brought back but neither one of them called that on side kick did they? Tomlin too should be let go but the reality is he wont. No player playing for Bill Belichek is talking about next year's contract before a playoff game. Which shows how weak Tomlin's influence really is. They don't fear Tomlin.

[fordfixer]

Good post Starlifter well thought out good points made

[Herewegosteelers!]

I sat there through that monstrosity yesterday as well and I couldn't have said it better. Great points.

[squidkid]

that was an outstanding post, i agree 100%