5 guys I want 5 guys I dont

[Oviedo]

8 picks in 48 career starts. 118 tackles on a team that went 3-9 with a defense that ranked 245th in the country in yards against. You hit the nail right on the head. He racked up the tackles because the front 7 was a sieve. Listen I am not saying he isn't a nice player but he is not a top 50 guy.

I agree. I watched a very average rebuilding UCF beat UConn and really didn't even notice Obi on the field

I would much rather have Peppers, a player who did whatever the team asked of him and played multiple positions and roles well

[feltdizz]

I agree. I watched a very average rebuilding UCF beat UConn and really didn't even notice Obi on the field

I would much rather have Peppers, a player who did whatever the team asked of him and played multiple positions and roles well

is this because Obi was torched or because he was avoided?

[feltdizz]

8 picks in 48 career starts. 118 tackles on a team that went 3-9 with a defense that ranked 245th in the country in yards against. You hit the nail right on the head. He racked up the tackles because the front 7 was a sieve. Listen I am not saying he isn't a nice player but he is not a top 50 guy.

I wouldn't use wins or losses or defense rankings when deciding if a player fits our system. He isn't bringing the team with him. This is why it's so hard to scout players on powerhouse teams. Is it the player or the program that makes them look great?

We shall see soon enough.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

If we are talking 1st round..I would have to not include medical because that's info the teams will gather. It's too hard to say yes or no not having that. Only really 2 guys I'm concerned with in 1st round investment. Tim Williams for obvious & Peppers because he never was elite at a position because he bounced. Not a playmaker in terms of TO.

Here's something I would be Curious how people would react. Steelers on clock at 30 & their Board lays like this. I won't even plug names.


TE (2nd TE)
WR (2-3 WR)
QB (2-3 QB)
ILB (2-3 ILB)
CB (6-7 CB)
OLB (6-7 OLB)
S (3-4 S)
RB (2-3 RB)

There is a grade gap between the ILB & CB. Generic terms...The Steelers have 1-2 Round grades on the CB down. Top 4 are 1st round grades. Not a debate. Just wonder who name goes on the card. Asking because this is a scenario I see happening without the Steelers trading up.


Btw...In this scenario if The TE & ILB Are close...I'm going ILB.

[Real Deal Steel]

>Your comment got me thinking of Davis pick last year. I think we all were critical or puzzled by selecting him there, when there were other "top" safeties. He might be a player, but why is everyone on his bandwagon. He is not going to start at safety this year. Is everryone trying to make him into a "pepper role" (LB/S) I understand that he could eventually start in the future and play a role this year. But if we are looking to strengthen our backfield, woudn't Awuzie be a better upgrade? We could even probably trade back a bit and still get him.

Don't you think it's a little early to rule Davis out as a starter? We don't know the growth he's going to have from the end of last season to the end of the next training camp. His first real training camp; another year of strength and conditioning; I just think it's too early. I'd like to know what Lake expects from Davis going into this next season.

[RuthlessBurgher]

There is a grade gap between the ILB & CB. Generic terms...The Steelers have 1-2 Round grades on the CB down. Top 4 are 1st round grades. Not a debate. Just wonder who name goes on the card. Asking because this is a scenario I see happening without the Steelers trading up.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Perhaps your terms were too generic for me to decipher. More specifics might help.

[steeler_george]

Don't you think it's a little early to rule Davis out as a starter? We don't know the growth he's going to have from the end of last season to the end of the next training camp. His first real training camp; another year of strength and conditioning; I just think it's too early. I'd like to know what Lake expects from Davis going into this next season.

Sorry, I think I wrote that wrong. I wasn't questioning Davis, who I think is going to keep improving and wow us even more in 2017, but was questioning OBI 's role if drafted in 2017.

It is no doubt, that we need to look for a replacement for Mitchell in the near future, just like we need to for Harrsion. Obi sounds like a player, but does he carry more value than a possible starting CB, ILB, or OLB, if we go D in the first.

[Real Deal Steel]

I think we have to be more specific in exactly what we want to address. Is it another safety (which we will need in the future) or another quality starting cornerback? I'm not high on getting a guy like Obi or Peppers (jack of all trades; but masters of none) type of guys. Granted, I know up in New England that works but why can't we just draft a guy who's actually focused on being a safety and a guy who's actually focused on being a cornerback and don't over think the room?

[steeler_george]

I think we have to be more specific in exactly what we want to address. Is it another safety (which we will need in the future) or another quality starting cornerback? I'm not high on getting a guy like Obi or Peppers (jack of all trades; but masters of none) type of guys. Granted, I know up in New England that works but why can't we just draft a guy who's actually focused on being a safety and a guy who's actually focused on being a cornerback and don't over think the room?

Bingo, I just keep reading on how Obi would be the solution in our nickle package, subbing for VW. Maybe it is just me, but I question it, even when we had Polumoulo ( still can't spell his name) he got trucked when playing the hybird ILB/S role.

[steeler_george]

If we are talking 1st round..I would have to not include medical because that's info the teams will gather. It's too hard to say yes or no not having that. Only really 2 guys I'm concerned with in 1st round investment. Tim Williams for obvious & Peppers because he never was elite at a position because he bounced. Not a playmaker in terms of TO.

Here's something I would be Curious how people would react. Steelers on clock at 30 & their Board lays like this. I won't even plug names.


TE (2nd TE)
WR (2-3 WR)
QB (2-3 QB)
ILB (2-3 ILB)
CB (6-7 CB)
OLB (6-7 OLB)
S (3-4 S)
RB (2-3 RB)

There is a grade gap between the ILB & CB. Generic terms...The Steelers have 1-2 Round grades on the CB down. Top 4 are 1st round grades. Not a debate. Just wonder who name goes on the card. Asking because this is a scenario I see happening without the Steelers trading up.


Btw...In this scenario if The TE & ILB Are close...I'm going ILB.

I am in same boat, but the question is who do we see sliding down to the 2nd round.
TE- needs upgrade, deep draft, from the top 2 to the next ranked is big differnece.
WR- needs upgrade, if we play out with the thought of Bryant and Coats are gone. But I think we will go later in draft, where we had success.
QB- can we skip on the next Marino? I think we do.
ILB- need, how many of us are certain that VW can fill in Timmon's shoes.
CB- need, how much can Cockrell improve? Can we rely on Gholsten? Is Gay a camp cut?
OLB- future need, we have Harrsion as starter and Moats/ Chicko as capable back ups.
S- see OLB, but have Dangerfeild and Golden
RB- we have the games best back, but how reliable( Health) is he going to be? and there is no back up...

Hmm, In this case I think a trade down would be the key to one of those QB hungry teams. We should still be able to grab one of those high ranked players other than QB ( keep hearing that the QBs are barely 1 st round grades, talented, raw and flawed.) Maybe include a deal to "money ball" picks to use for next year's QB class.

But if I had to choose, it would be ILB, because after the 3-4th ILB there will be no true upgrade to VW. Would get nervous waiting in the 2nd if one slips.

[Real Deal Steel]

But to trade down, someone has to want to come up.

[birtikidis]

I've talked myself into Peppers more and more. I like him as a "honeybadger" in our system for the next year or so until they move away from Mitchell. Let him learn and slowly transition him into the spot. Could be a creative way to help bring pressure on the qb until our next OLB takes over for Deebo

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Perhaps your terms were too generic for me to decipher. More specifics might help.

Generic in the sense how we see prospect rankings Ruthless on websites versus a draft board. We don't get to see the draft board with the player stacking. So if you want to use that sense the Top 4 are stacked noticeably higher by grade on the board.

[Shoe]

I've talked myself into Peppers more and more. I like him as a "honeybadger" in our system for the next year or so until they move away from Mitchell. Let him learn and slowly transition him into the spot. Could be a creative way to help bring pressure on the qb until our next OLB takes over for Deebo

I'd love Peppers too, for the player he's projected to be (i.e. Honey Badger-like). However, he'd have to be able to play FS, which I haven't read he's particularly able to. He's among the guys I'd like us to be able to pick, but I think I'd prefer a guy like Watt or McKinley, since those guys would have a natural spot to take over soon (Deebo's). Peppers has Davis in front of him at SS, and he frankly won't be able to play LB for us.

[SS Laser]

One thing in these discussions no body hits on that I have seen. Is that Deebo has to be very rep limited to start the season if you want him as a force in the playoffs. So who gets those reps to start the season? I don't see a rookie right away. It is possible depending on who ends up the edge pick. But I also have not given up on Chick getting better. But is Deebos side his natural spot? Can he create enough pressure and sacks to keep Deebo fresh? Or will a rookie be good enough to be that guy?