The day the Browns passed on Big Ben

[steeler_george]

I could see the Dolphins offering the Browns their second round pick to move up from 13 to 8 (their original draft position before the Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso trade) to get Elliott since they tried to sign every RB under the sun in free agency but came up empty handed.

If so, i think the Browns get their QB at 13, in Lynch ( I think he has lot of upside), and still have 2 2nd rounders ,2 3rd rounds, and 2 4th fourth rounders... and i think this a deep draft in DL, OG, S I would love for us to have so many picks in 2nd or 3rd.

[Slapstick]

And that's the problem when you locked into drafting for need...you can only draft whomever is available...

Just because you need a QB, that doesn't mean that Andrew Luck is available in the draft...hence, overdrafting a Goff or a Wentz at #1 overall...

The Steelers have been lucky in the past...either a draft is deep in the position that they need (like this draft) or a top rated prospect falls into their laps (DeCastro)....

[feltdizz]

And that's the problem when you locked into drafting for need...you can only draft whomever is available...

Just because you need a QB, that doesn't mean that Andrew Luck is available in the draft...hence, overdrafting a Goff or a Wentz at #1 overall...

The Steelers have been lucky in the past...either a draft is deep in the position that they need (like this draft) or a top rated prospect falls into their laps (DeCastro)....

Yep, I'm actually impressed Cleveland moved back this year. I definitely think this years QB class isn't legit.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Yep, I'm actually impressed Cleveland moved back this year. I definitely think this years QB class isn't legit.

I would have just taken Wentz. You need a legit QB to compete in this league. That doesn't mean I would have necessarily mortgaged my future to go get one like L.A. and Philly did, but if I had a top 2 pick already and did not have a franchise QB, I would simply stay put and take one. To me, passing up the opportunity to take Carson Wentz is like if we chose to draft Shawn Andrews instead of Ben Roethlisberger when we were picking 11th in 2004. I think they are going to regret this decision. Again.

[feltdizz]

I would have just taken Wentz. You need a legit QB to compete in this league. That doesn't mean I would have necessarily mortgaged my future to go get one like L.A. and Philly did, but if I had a top 2 pick already and did not have a franchise QB, I would simply stay put and take one. To me, passing up the opportunity to take Carson Wentz is like if we chose to draft Shawn Andrews instead of Ben Roethlisberger when we were picking 11th in 2004. I think they are going to regret this decision. Again.

I can't argue with this at all. Someone else said the Browns passing on these 2 QB's means they will definitely have good careers.

[Shoe]

Size, arm strength, athleticism, leadership skills, a winner, and ran a pro style offense. The only thing against him is level of competition, but he dominated the opposition put in front of him, which is all you can expect. The reason that Ben went 3rd behind Eli and Rivers is because Miami of Ohio was not regarded as highly as Ole Miss or N.C. State, just like North Dakota State isn't regarded as highly as Cal Berkeley.

Yeah, that's a good point. That said, I still would need to really pause, because what I said earlier also is relevant. There are many circumstances that make players look so much better than they are. Had Matt Barkley simply came out as a Junior instead of as a Senior--he was considered the #1 overall pick as a Junior (or at least certainly a first-round lock). As a senior, he showed himself as the player he is (back-up material). Remember Mike Wallace's QB at Ole Miss... I think his name was Snead. When he had Wallace, he was considered a potential star. After Wallace left, he became a nobody. Same with Tajh Boyd.

I'm not arguing against you BTW. Wentz may be all that, who knows.

[Northern_Blitz]

I would have just taken Wentz. You need a legit QB to compete in this league. That doesn't mean I would have necessarily mortgaged my future to go get one like L.A. and Philly did, but if I had a top 2 pick already and did not have a franchise QB, I would simply stay put and take one. To me, passing up the opportunity to take Carson Wentz is like if we chose to draft Shawn Andrews instead of Ben Roethlisberger when we were picking 11th in 2004. I think they are going to regret this decision. Again.

Maybe that's part of their plan though.

Get everyone else but QB this year. But, they'll probably still be pretty bad without a QB.

Maybe pick up a QB next year.

It depends on how they graded the #2 QB. Is he Rivers / Ben, or is he Leaf?