The day the Browns passed on Big Ben

[feltdizz]

[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15232563/the-day-browns-passed-big-ben[/url]

pretty good read.

Amazing how the Browns flew their WR's to Miami of Ohio and ran every route on the tree and Ben hit them in stride on a cold and rainy day and they STILL passed on Ben.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Well, they passed on another potential QB of the future today by trading down from 2nd overall to 8th overall.

[calmkiller]

They could still take Paxson with the 8th and gain picks. Seems like the best case IMO.

[feltdizz]

I'm not sold on the QB's this year but you never know. The kid from N. Dakota wins a ton.

[RuthlessBurgher]

They could still take Paxson with the 8th and gain picks. Seems like the best case IMO.

After the top 2 QB's come off the board with the first 2 picks, the next 6 guys (in some order) should be Jalen Ramsey, Laremy Tunsil, DeForest Buckner, Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, and Myles Jack. At least one of those guys has to fall to Cleveland at #8, so they will likely take one of those guys (unless they really like Vernon Hargreaves or Ronnie Stanley instead).

They could still trade down again, of course, which is the only way I see them taking Lynch (I think Connor Cook to the Browns at #32 is more likely).

Say the Chargers take Tunsil, the Cowboys take Ramsey, the Jaguars take Jack, the Ravens take Bosa, and Niners take Buckner. Will Cleveland draft Elliott or trade down with Miami for the 13th pick and obtain another 2nd round pick in the process?

[RuthlessBurgher]

I'm not sold on the QB's this year but you never know. The kid from N. Dakota wins a ton.

I really like Carson Wentz as a prospect. I think he's best QB to come out since Luck (I like him more coming out than Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Bridgewater, and Carr). Glad he has zero chance of going to an AFC North rival now.

[buccoray61]

[URL]http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15232563/the-day-browns-passed-big-ben[/URL]

pretty good read.

Amazing how the Browns flew their WR's to Miami of Ohio and ran every route on the tree and Ben hit them in stride on a cold and rainy day and they STILL passed on Ben.

That's why they are the Browns.

[8467thekraken]

After the top 2 QB's come off the board with the first 2 picks, the next 6 guys (in some order) should be Jalen Ramsey, Laremy Tunsil, DeForest Buckner, Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, and Myles Jack. At least one of those guys has to fall to Cleveland at #8, so they will likely take one of those guys (unless they really like Vernon Hargreaves or Ronnie Stanley instead).

They could still trade down again, of course, which is the only way I see them taking Lynch (I think Connor Cook to the Browns at #32 is more likely).

Say the Chargers take Tunsil, the Cowboys take Ramsey, the Jaguars take Jack, the Ravens take Bosa, and Niners take Buckner. Will Cleveland draft Elliott or trade down with Miami for the 13th pick and obtain another 2nd round pick in the process?

I thought I read somewhere that Bosa would hold out if the ravens drafted him.

Still think the ravens would take him with that kind of threat looming???

I think they would take Buckner, who I think is a better prospect anyway.

[8467thekraken]

And I could definitely see Cleveland taking Elliott.

[RuthlessBurgher]

And I could definitely see Cleveland taking Elliott.

I could see the Dolphins offering the Browns their second round pick to move up from 13 to 8 (their original draft position before the Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso trade) to get Elliott since they tried to sign every RB under the sun in free agency but came up empty handed.

[8467thekraken]

I could see the Dolphins offering the Browns their second round pick to move up from 13 to 8 (their original draft position before the Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso trade) to get Elliott since they tried to sign every RB under the sun in free agency but came up empty handed.

It would be epic insanity for Cleveland to trade out of the the blue chip tier level of this draft-TWICE. As you said, Ruthless, at 8 they are still gonna get a top tier player no matter how the draft shakes out.
Plus not only do they play the Eagles in week 1, but they also play miami in week 3. Flirting with a lot of fate, there.

I just feel like doing a trade like that is trying to do too much. Almost like undoing some of the potential good you created with the initial trade.

[SteelBucks]

And I could definitely see Cleveland taking Elliott.

Some say Dallas. It'll be an interesting draft.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Some say Dallas. It'll be an interesting draft.

If San Diego takes Tunsil, I can't see the Cowboys passing on Ramsey.

If San Diego takes Ramsey, I could see the Cowboys taking Elliott.

However, with Hardy gone and now Demarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory both suspended for the first month of the season, they could really be tempted to go for a pass rusher like Bosa instead. We'll see in a week.

[Shoe]

I really like Carson Wentz as a prospect. I think he's best QB to come out since Luck (I like him more coming out than Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Bridgewater, and Carr). Glad he has zero chance of going to an AFC North rival now.

Wow, what do you base it on? When I see Wentz, I see potential. But it is hard to consider him anything other than that, given his lack of big-time play. Wouldn't Landry Jones have looked as good at ND State? Or Nick Foles? Or Tom Savage, the big kid from Pitt, or any of many major college kids? It seems risky to take a guy #1 overall like that.

For the record, I don't really like taking small-hands Goff #1 overall either. Seems like just a good player (e.g. Jake Plummer, Alex Smith) rather than a potential superstar.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Wow, what do you base it on? When I see Wentz, I see potential. But it is hard to consider him anything other than that, given his lack of big-time play. Wouldn't Landry Jones have looked as good at ND State? Or Nick Foles? Or Tom Savage, the big kid from Pitt, or any of many major college kids? It seems risky to take a guy #1 overall like that.

For the record, I don't really like taking small-hands Goff #1 overall either. Seems like just a good player (e.g. Jake Plummer, Alex Smith) rather than a potential superstar.

Size, arm strength, athleticism, leadership skills, a winner, and ran a pro style offense. The only thing against him is level of competition, but he dominated the opposition put in front of him, which is all you can expect. The reason that Ben went 3rd behind Eli and Rivers is because Miami of Ohio was not regarded as highly as Ole Miss or N.C. State, just like North Dakota State isn't regarded as highly as Cal Berkeley.