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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
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    #31
    Originally posted by K Train
    Because losing haley would be a bad thing
    We'd be able to see what we have in Fichtner as an in house replacement O.C. like we got to see what we have in Butler as an in house replacement D.C.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
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      #32
      Originally posted by K Train
      Because losing haley would be a bad thing
      no it wouldn't...

      Haley installed some great things and I think Ben wouldn't turn into some bum if Haley left.

      I think coordinators should move on every few years.
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      • K Train
        Hall of Famer
        • Jan 2014
        • 3685

        #33
        Originally posted by feltdizz
        no it wouldn't...

        Haley installed some great things and I think Ben wouldn't turn into some bum if Haley left.

        I think coordinators should move on every few years.
        Ben has always been a great QB, Haley has made Ben into a great passer.

        Losing Haley would hurt, right now the team on the offensive side of the ball including both coaches and players work very well together. People dont like haley because hes not a perfect play caller, which no one, absolutely no one is but coaches grow into roles just as players do. Gameplanning and play design, haley is top notch

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        • Oviedo
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          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #34
          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
          We'd be able to see what we have in Fichtner as an in house replacement O.C. like we got to see what we have in Butler as an in house replacement D.C.
          But is Fichtner "that guy?" When Arians left there was speculation that Fichtner might get a look, but they went outside which surprised me because I believe that Fichtner and Tomlin have a history like Butler and Tomlin

          Ficthner maybe a very good position coach but may not be coordinator material
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • Oviedo
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            • May 2008
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            #35
            Originally posted by feltdizz

            I think coordinators should move on every few years.
            So LeBeau should have left 3-4 years ago. Glad to see you are on my side of that discussion
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • feltdizz
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              • May 2008
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              #36
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              So LeBeau should have left 3-4 years ago. Glad to see you are on my side of that discussion
              dude, you were so obsessed I don't think you read all my post criticizing DL and wanting to move on when we were rebuilding the D.

              I wasn't hijacking threads to voice my opinion but I was never a fan of needing superstars at every position and having a playbook the size of a dictionary.
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              • Slapstick
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                • May 2008
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                #37
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                But is Fichtner "that guy?" When Arians left there was speculation that Fichtner might get a look, but they went outside which surprised me because I believe that Fichtner and Tomlin have a history like Butler and Tomlin

                Ficthner maybe a very good position coach but may not be coordinator material
                Butler patiently waited for his turn. He turned out to be "the guy". If Haley does have an opportunity to move on to what he feels are greener pastures, I can't imagine the Steelers looking to make a big change to the offense when Ben turns 34 in March.
                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Slapstick
                  Butler patiently waited for his turn. He turned out to be "the guy". If Haley does have an opportunity to move on to what he feels are greener pastures, I can't imagine the Steelers looking to make a big change to the offense when Ben turns 34 in March.
                  coordinators leave for HC jobs all the time... it's rare for them to stick around for a long time when they are successful.

                  Last thing I want is our players not being able to adapt when they leave. Its part of the game.
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                  • Oviedo
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                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #39
                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    dude, you were so obsessed I don't think you read all my post criticizing DL and wanting to move on when we were rebuilding the D.

                    I wasn't hijacking threads to voice my opinion but I was never a fan of needing superstars at every position and having a playbook the size of a dictionary.
                    I do remember you did not drink the "legend" kool aid and saw it for how it was
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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                      • May 2008
                      • 8361

                      #40
                      If Haley shines and gets us to the promised land with creative offensive packages that minimize the impact of no real RB, he will be gone next year. I'd take that trade-off!


                      We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

                      HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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                      • RuthlessBurgher
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                        • May 2008
                        • 33208

                        #41
                        The longer we remain in the playoffs, the less likely we would be to lose Haley, I would think, so let's just go all the way...whaddaya think? These teams that are firing their coaches after a year or two aren't going to be patient enough to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire their coach when they can just sign an Adam Gase or a Doug Marrone now.
                        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27531

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          I do remember you did not drink the "legend" kool aid and saw it for how it was
                          well, I think DL is a legend but I never thought he was so good he could stay here forever.
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                          • feltdizz
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                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #43
                            Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                            The longer we remain in the playoffs, the less likely we would be to lose Haley, I would think, so let's just go all the way...whaddaya think? These teams that are firing their coaches after a year or two aren't going to be patient enough to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire their coach when they can just sign an Adam Gase or a Doug Marrone now.
                            good point, we have no idea if Haley wants to be a HC again after the last fiasco in KC. The way teams are treating coaches these days it may not be that attractive to him.
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                            • K Train
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 3685

                              #44
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              good point, we have no idea if Haley wants to be a HC again after the last fiasco in KC. The way teams are treating coaches these days it may not be that attractive to him.
                              Pretty sure his salary would go from $200-400k to $3-4 million

                              I think Munchak deserves a raise and a cushy assistant HC title. Imo hes one of the best positional coaches of all time but by everything I heard he doesnt want to be a head coach, nor does he want to call plays. He is such an impressive developer of talent and i LOVE his blocking scheme.

                              I also think Haley is happy here, but for that kind of raise im pretty sure hes not hanging up the phone on anyone interested.

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                              • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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                                • May 2008
                                • 8361

                                #45
                                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                                The longer we remain in the playoffs, the less likely we would be to lose Haley, I would think, so let's just go all the way...whaddaya think? These teams that are firing their coaches after a year or two aren't going to be patient enough to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire their coach when they can just sign an Adam Gase or a Doug Marrone now.
                                Yes, I thought about that later ... he might be in the position of ready to be hired as HC, but it would be so late in the hiring season that no one is around to do it.


                                We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

                                HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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